Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

Zionist ghouls screeching incoherently with their weird-ass anime avatars -- the classic King of Parties. Look at Chad Rafiki over here 😆

anyway, you have been dealt an obvious L, so please shut the hell up and try to learn something for once before popping off again

If you think 80% of Americans are ghouls, it's possible we have bigger problems then who is good at parties


by rafiki P

So you believe 90% of Israelis to be...ghouls?

if the shoe fits

by rafiki P

I don't think you understood my post. I also don't think you understood what specific factors did lead to those deaths that I'm inferring...

Thinking cap Victor. What part of Islam am I talking about...

Because in this analogy, it fits your point perfectly. Why do the Muslims often kill each other en masse?

I just said there is nothing innate to Arabs that make them do war. just like I dont think there is anything innate to Jews that make do war.


So karl isn't banned?


by Victor P

if the shoe fits

I just said there is nothing innate to Arabs that make them do war. just like I dont think there is anything innate to Jews that make do war.

If you think 90% of Israelis are ghouls, I feel genuine sadness for you. We're talking like 6-7-8M people minimum you feel are ghouls, that I can assure you are anything but. But I have no real way to prove it to you. I guess I just feel sad.

As to the second point, but there IS something innate. And that's the divide between Sunni and Shia. It's exactly in the category of difference you're talking about. And it has killed millions and millions in massive genocidal conflicts.


by metsandfinsfan P

So karl isn't banned?

The notion that 90% of Israelis are ghouls is pretty wild. But I guess if 80% of the USA are ghouls too, what you gonna do.


supporting the murder of children is ghoulish. I dont condemn these people or anything and I am sure some are perfectly nice. banality.


by Victor P

supporting the murder of children is ghoulish. I dont condemn these people or anything and I am sure some are perfectly nice. banality.

Would you say you support Putin? Surely Ukrainian children have died? That's gotta be over 2000 by now? Far more if we use "under 19" as the number.

Is that how we define a ghoul? Homeless children in Ukraine we must be in the 6 figures now. Orphaned children in Ukraine I can't even imagine the scale of that number. If that's not "ghoulish, what is"?

But it's hard for me to call the Russian people "ghouls"


ofc I dont support Putin. when have I ever said I support him?


by Karl_TheOG_Marx P

Zionist ghouls screeching incoherently with their weird-ass anime avatars -- the classic King of Parties. Look at Chad Rafiki over here 😆

anyway, you have been dealt an obvious L, so please shut the hell up and try to learn something for once before popping off again

Hey Karl, good to see you again after your loooooong ass ban. How ya been? Distributing fliers and overthrowing the KKKapitalist System of Oppression? I thought so. 😀


by Victor P

ofc I dont support Putin. when have I ever said I support him?

It's always been my understanding that you were fairly ok with this Russian incursion. My view there may be dated.


by rafiki P

I know well enough to not lead with "my ghoulish comrades" when talking to someone. That much, I do know.

....Okay I do hear you to clarify, but in fairness that would sound kinda badass actually.


by rafiki P

It's always been my understanding that you were fairly ok with this Russian incursion. My view there may be dated.

No I want a cease fire and negotiation in that conflict too.

People get real mad and lie about me bc I put a lot blame on the USA and Nato for the invasion. Ofc I base this on their statements bragging about it and how they have worked hard to perpetuate the war.

Kinda like how ppl itt tend to call me an antisemite. With no justification.


by Victor P

ofc I dont support Putin. when have I ever said I support him?


😆😆


by Victor P

No I want a cease fire and negotiation in that conflict too.

People get real mad and lie about me bc I put a lot blame on the USA and Nato for the invasion. Ofc I base this on their statements bragging about it and how they have worked hard to perpetuate the war.


Yeah it's totally NATOs and AmeriKKKa's fault that Putin aggressively invaded Ukraine.

Kinda like how ppl itt tend to call me an antisemite. With no justification.

😆😆


I have no problem calling the 90% of Israelis that support this stuff ghouls.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/13...

Rafiki, why do you yearn to be loved and respected so much? like, just accept who you are and be proud of what you support.


by Victor P

Kinda like how ppl itt tend to call me an antisemite. With no justification.

The justification is if you (and others) are simply antisemitic then there is no need for accountability of self-reflection on their part. It’s really very simple.

The real tragedy is there are actual antisemites hiding among us, and the watering down of the term makes them more difficult to identify.


This Ramadan, starving Gazans will break their fast with scraps found in the garbage


A toddler wearing a red jumper plays with fairy lights that adorn tents to celebrate the start of Ramadan in a displacement camp in Deir al-Balah, central Gaza. Her blonde curls bob between rows of Ramadan bunting, as the yellow glow of the sun marks the first day of the holy month.

Children bang on toy drums, dance and march to traditional Ramadan songs. Nearby, women cook stew and knead dough to make bread in the neighborhood, where palm trees dot the horizon. Residents say they thought it important to decorate the tent city for the festivities this year, as they once did in their homes and neighborhoods before they were displaced by Israel’s assault on Gaza. For the children, it brings a semblance of normalcy.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/13/middleeas...


by Victor P

I have no problem calling the 90% of Israelis that support this stuff ghouls.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/13...

Rafiki, why do you yearn to be loved and respected so much? like, just accept who you are and be proud of what you support.

Victor I have no requirements for either of those things from you. Totally unnecessary.

I'm just sad you think there are countries on earth where 90% of the people are ghouls. I'm just trying to wrap my head around what that means.

Even a place like Iran, I can't even conceive 25% of them being sinister/ghoulish. So 90% is just....beyond my comprehension.


ghoulish


by rafiki P

Victor I have no requirements for either of those things from you. Totally unnecessary.

I'm just sad you think there are countries on earth where 90% of the people are ghouls. I'm just trying to wrap my head around what that means.

Even a place like Iran, I can't even conceive 25% of them being sinister/ghoulish. So 90% is just....beyond my comprehension.

Embrace the dark side. Fill every fiber of your soul with lava hot hatred.

Then and only then could you understand Victor’s truth.


by grizy P

Embrace the dark side. Fill every fiber of your soul with lava hot hatred.

Then and only then could you understand Victor’s truth.

Yeah I'm starting to understand that the hate flows significantly stronger than I'd even understood. Chilling.


by rafiki P

It's always been my understanding that you were fairly ok with this Russian incursion. My view there may be dated.

My guess is Victor just does some mental gymnastics and say Putin is merely reacting to the west and it’s somehow all America’s fault.


watching mainstream Israeli talk shows like I linked above is quite chilling. I esp liked the joke about the 30k dead redline.


by rafiki P

Yeah I'm starting to understand that the hate flows significantly stronger than I'd even understood. Chilling.

With Victor and some of those on the far left, you have to understand they don’t actually hate the Jews. What they hate is America/the West, the world they grew up in.

What they feel toward the Jews is worse: complete indifference. The Jews just happen to be supported by the true target of their hatred: the society they grew up in.

Victor’s posts make a lot more sense when you realize he’s just lashing out against the west and deep down inside he really doesn’t care at all to understand anything. He feels oppressed so he insists the powers that may be must always be oppressive.

This my hypothesis anyway.


the West is built on the blood and oppression of weaker people and nowhere is it more evident than in Gaza.

I dont hate the West bc its the West. I oppose the West bc they murder babies and then label any criticism of murdering babies as antisemitism.


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