Israel/Palestine thread
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Israel is. Just flipped less than 2 weeks ago. Did you miss that, was very public. Israel and Russia had a big breakup.
They're sending Ukraine their technology for defensive missile tech + ordinance. There's speculation in time maybe the dome...
edit: slow pony, someone mentioned it
yes I missed the blurb from 2 weeks ago. I was busy watching the Zionist supremacists do a genocide.
they are such babies. strong enough to do genocide but not strong enough to handle the most milquetoast criticism.
https://www.axios.com/2024/03/14/schumer...
Schumer's anti-Netanyahu speech stuns Israel
Political courage.
He didn’t have to do this.
you arent going to get me on the side of war and murder. so ya, ofc I am going to oppose America.
again, you got it backward. the next time America is righteous, then it will be the first time. and I will support them then (lol).
Victor thinks the US should have let Hitler take over Europe.
If you aren't sure exactly what is going on, then maybe you shouldn't say anything so you don't sound foolish.
He doesn't sound foolish to anyone who has even a basic understanding of the situation.
What does sound foolish is looking at either situation in a vacuum and saying "wow things are bad there, they must have screwed up!"
That's pretty much the definition of victim blaming and doesn't take into account that being next to a much larger, more powerful entity that wishes to conquer or destroy you is likely to lead to all bad outcomes.
He doesn't sound foolish to anyone who has even a basic understanding of the situation.
What does sound foolish is looking at either situation in a vacuum and saying "wow things are bad there, they must have screwed up!"
That's pretty much the definition of victim blaming and doesn't take into account that being next to a much larger, more powerful entity that wishes to conquer or destroy you is likely to lead to all bad outcomes.
thats exactly what he said tho.
regardless, both of you have trouble following the conversation. we were not talking about the Ukrainians but rather their leadership. go back and reread the post teflon.
so yes, the Ukrainian leadership esp Zelenskyy made bad decisions. he was elected on a promise of peace and instead the decisions he made led them to war.
you can make some of the same criticisms of Hamas as well. I dont necessarily agree but they is a reasonable argument there.
chillrob and many others in this thread want to shift the argument to the Gazans as a whole so that they can support their destruction without any guilt.
The USA are drafting an UN resolution asking for ceasefire and hostage release
Sinwar is hoping for some great uprising still. Bibi doesn't actually want a ceasefire for multiple reasons. I would be shocked if Israel doesn't go into Rafah soon.
Sinwar is hoping for some great uprising still. Bibi doesn't actually want a ceasefire for multiple reasons. I would be shocked if Israel doesn't go into Rafah soon.
Should have entered already, USA are moving against them so waiting isn't helping at all.
Just go in asap then there is nothing others can do anymore to save hamas
You are proving my point.
Zelenskyy's decision did not lead them to war. Putin's decisions led them to war, particularly the decision to wage war.
teflon: Victor would be a terrible leader and lead his people to ruin if he was in charge of Ukraine
victor: but Ukraine is in ruins as it is, so maybe their leaders didnt make the best decisions
chillrob: lol Gazan people made bad decisions
do you see the difference between the Gazan people and Zelenskyy in this analogy?
also, do you see how stupid it is to think that a different approach would have been worse than Zelensky's? like, is it even possible Ukraine could be a worse situation than it is now?
Should have entered already, USA are moving against them so waiting isn't helping at all.
Just go in asap then there is nothing others can do anymore to save hamas
its cute how you still think Israel is fighting against Hamas. they arent gonna go into Rafah to get Hamas. they are gonna go in to kill civilians.
That's pretty much the definition of victim blaming and doesn't take into account that being next to a much larger, more powerful entity that wishes to conquer or destroy you is likely to lead to all bad outcomes.
also, do you see how stupid it is to think that a different approach would have been worse than Zelensky's? like, is it even possible Ukraine could be a worse situation than it is now?
Once again you are proving my point. And to answer your question: Yes, 100%. It could be much, more worse.
its cute how you still think Israel is fighting against Hamas. they arent gonna go into Rafah to get Hamas. they are gonna go in to kill civilians.
If they just wanted to kill civilians they could have simply bombed Rafah like other areas since months ago.
You need to get better at making up stuff, a model of the evil enemy needs internal coherence, go back to pallywood and study some more.
thats exactly what he said tho.
regardless, both of you have trouble following the conversation. we were not talking about the Ukrainians but rather their leadership. go back and reread the post teflon.
so yes, the Ukrainian leadership esp Zelenskyy made bad decisions. he was elected on a promise of peace and instead the decisions he made led them to war.
you can make some of the same criticisms of Hamas as well. I dont necessarily agree b
Hamas was elected on a promise of genocide. Ironically, that's what they delivered.
