The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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Putting a punctuation mark on the neuro angle, anybody who is observing the landscape and believes the increase in trans identification has more to do with brain disposition than social influences is in serious denial. I don’t expect people to have the same insight into the mind I have, but this should be undeniable.

Why is this important? Because it puts the idea of gender affirmation into question. Trans affirmation becomes causative of gender dysphoria rather than strictly a form of treatment.

I’ll repeat myself, gender affirmation is a perverted treatment option for the crisis these young people are dealing with. Affirming a gender doesn’t solve suicidal ideation, feelings of not belonging, or nihilism. They need self affirmation followed by self development and self transformation.


by craig1120 P

Putting a punctuation mark on the neuro angle, anybody who is observing the landscape and believes the increase in trans identification has more to do with brain disposition than social influences is in serious denial. I don’t expect people to have the same insight into the mind I have, but this should be undeniable.

Why is this important? Because it puts the idea of gender affirmation into question. Trans affirmation becomes causative of g

Yes trans activists are causing the death and suffering of trans identifying minors and young adults more than any other group, that much is very clear.


by Luckbox Inc P

Bryce is gay. He doesn't have any more insight into trans people than the gay people that I know-- every single one of which is critical of gender ideology.

If I mixed up Bryce and Crossnerd then I apologize


by Luciom P

Why would Bryce represent the trans community anymore than me or anyone else, even if he was trans, which he isn't?

Why would a trans person represent the trans community more than someone who constantly spews anti-trans rhetoric?

Cmon bud


by Luciom P

Yes trans activists are causing the death and suffering of trans identifying minors and young adults more than any other group, that much is very clear.

You don't get to say stuff like this without being called a marxist


by coordi P

If I mixed up Bryce and Crossnerd then I apologize

Crossnerd is married and presumably heterosexual.


by coordi P

Why would a trans person represent the trans community more than someone who constantly spews anti-trans rhetoric?

Cmon bud

Yeah no one afaik who posts here is trans-- unless you want to believe that gender is a continuum in which case everyone is.


by coordi P

You don't get to say stuff like this without being called a marxist

ye claiming Marxists cause the death and suffering of people is clearly a Marxist thing


by Luciom P

ye claiming Marxists cause the death and suffering of people is clearly a Marxist thing

I thought BLM was marxist?

Now trans activists are marxists?

I was more referencing how you make up stuff on the spot to further your own agenda


by Luckbox Inc P

Yeah no one afaik who posts here is trans-- unless you want to believe that gender is a continuum in which case everyone is.

I had internalized a poster having "genital surgery" as a child as them being transitioned but I was wrong.


by spaceman Bryce P

I don’t have time, but in this thread there are several hundred posts where I clarified that left handedness is innate. Ie left handedness is not a choice, it’s biological reality. This is a well established scientific fact.

I have also consistently and many many times said being transgender is innate ie a biological reality.

Gender, like race or money is indeed socially constructed. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the biological

are sexes the same as gender? to me they are but i understand you have a different view on this issue so i ask.

so what do we call a dog with a penis as opposed to one with a vagina. is one male and one female?

this is just hard to grasp. race being a social construct is easier to grasp (not that i agree necessarily but i can see the viewpoint) but the sex of being a social construct is harder to understand because other animals dont dwell in our constructed society yet are binary.


by coordi P

What a wild fantasy you have created for yourself

Btw, everything isn't "left" and "right". I'm sure it helps simplify things down to "extreme leftist" and what not. Treating other humans like humans isn't intrinsically a leftist ideal.

when someone interprets as derogatory almost anything that is said about him (or about groups with whom he identifies) we conclude that he has inferiority feelings or low self-esteem. this tendency is pronounced among minority rights activists, whether or not they belong to the minority groups whose rights they defend. they are hypersensitive about the words used to designate minorities and about anything that is said concerning minorities.


by sublime P

are sexes the same as gender? to me they are but i understand you have a different view on this issue so i ask.

so what do we call a dog with a penis as opposed to one with a vagina. is one male and one female?

this is just hard to grasp. race being a social construct is easier to grasp (not that i agree necessarily but i can see the viewpoint) but the sex of being a social construct is harder to understand because other

How do you know that animals are binary? Have you asked them yourself?

Same-sex sexual behaviour, that is, any attempted sexual activity between members of the same sex1,2,3,4, has been reported in over 1500 animal species, including all main groups from invertebrates such as insects, spiders, echinoderms, and nematodes, to vertebrates such as fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and mammals1,2,3. Same-sex sexual behaviour is particularly prevalent in nonhuman primates5,6, where it has been observed in at least 51 species from lemurs to apes7. This sexual behaviour is not limited to one sex or to the existence of artificial conditions, as it has been observed in males and females both in captivity and in wild conditions1,2,3,8.


by coordi P

How do you know that animals are binary? Have you asked them yourself?

we are not talking about homosexuality, which is something i can comprehend.

we are talking about genders. a male ape plowing another male ape may prove that homosexuality exists across the animal kingdom but doesn't change the fact that both apes have a penis. we call them males. we dont call them non binary because they are having sex, we call them homosexuals or bisexual or whatever.


by coordi P

I didn't say they were on puberty blockers for gender disphoria. Less than 100 is the amount for ANY reason.

The main difference between infibulation and puberty blockers being one is objectively mutilation while the other is just something you've convinced yourself is worse than death

It's not "objectively" mutilation in some Muslim countries. I was criticized last week for saying male circumcision should be banned as mutilation.


by sublime P

we are not talking about homosexuality, which is something i can comprehend.

we are talking about genders. a male ape plowing another male ape may prove that homosexuality exists across the animal kingdom but doesn't change the fact that both apes have a penis. we call them males. we dont call them non binary because they are having sex, we call them homosexuals or bisexual or whatever.

I don't think we typically classify animals as homosexual or bisexual because we have no way of communicating with the animal to confirm what its thoughts were at the time.

Point being, you have no clue if animals are binary, or trans, or whatever

Didn't we learn from Jurassic park that some frogs are sexually fluid?


by chillrob P

It's not "objectively" mutilation in some Muslim countries. I was criticized last week for saying male circumcision should be banned as mutilation.

You can have me on the record as saying many Muslim countries are backwater shitholes of humanitarian policies

If you google infibulation 3 of the top 4 results are for Female Genital Mutilation


by coordi P

I thought BLM was marxist?

Now trans activists are marxists?

I was more referencing how you make up stuff on the spot to further your own agenda

yes both BLM and trans activism are cultural Marxism, with founders and relevant individuals in both movements being Marxists, and the ideas they use being developed by Marxists.

critical race theory is Marxist theory.

gender theory is Marxist theory.

I don't think this is even particularly controversial.

Judith Butler is one of the most important contributors to gender theory and she (as other tender theory advocates) got directly inspired by Simone de Beauvoir, the extremely famous and influential feminist marxist, lover of pedophile Jean Paul Sartre, a couple who famously campaigned to abolish the age of consent in France (yes they wanted sex with 8 years old to be legal, yes they signed a manifesto for that).

John Money literally invented the concept of gender as gender theory uses it now (as something wholly different from biological sex that exists independently from it).

His "greatest scientifial contribution" was operating genital surgery on a two years old boy (whose penis was damaged near birth because of a failed attempt to fix an health problem), creating an artificial vulva. that twin got renamed with a female name (Brenda). got estrogen as a minor. having a twin brother (who didn't get mutilated) was perfect for "science", as a control.

the brothers, when still minors (from preschool), were made perform sexual acts with Money then photographed.
the collected data was pseudo-anymously published and used to justify thousands of other sexual surgeries across the world.

later on the twins suicided.

it's all Marxists (and a lot of pedophiles) all the way.

that is the kind of humus gender theory came out from.

Pedophiles, Mengele-like doctors, Marxists

I can go on with many more examples if you want but you get the picture


by coordi P

I don't think we typically classify animals as homosexual or bisexual because we have no way of communicating with the animal to confirm what its thoughts were at the time.

Point being, you have no clue if animals are binary, or trans, or whatever

well, if we were to observe a group of apes over a set period of time and ape A has intercourse with only females, we would call him heterosexual. if ape B has sex with only males, we would call him homosexual. if ape C has sex with both we would call him bisexual. these are terms we made up to differentiate between sexual behavior. we are not labeling these apes in order to hurt their feelings we are doing so because we need to in order to effectively communicate the differences between patterns of behavior.

if a man formulates a plan to kill another man and follows through with it, we call him a murderer. if he identifies as a ghandi like figure that doesn't matter one iota.


by coordi P

How do you know that animals are binary? Have you asked them yourself?

your quote is about homosexuality in other mammals and birds, not about trans-ness


by Luckbox Inc P

Crossnerd is married and presumably heterosexual.

And a woman.


by coordi P

I had internalized a poster having "genital surgery" as a child as them being transitioned but I was wrong.

There is a thread started by a trans person in the Card Rooms forum, and it has been active in the last few months; maybe you were remembering that.


by Luciom P

yes both BLM and trans activism are cultural Marxism, with founders and relevant individuals in both movements being Marxists, and the ideas they use being developed by Marxists.

critical race theory is Marxist theory.

gender theory is Marxist theory.

I don't think this is even particularly controversial.

Judith Butler is one of the most important contributors to gender theory and she (as other tender theory advocates) got directly inspired by

from wiki:

During his professional life, Money was respected as an expert on sexual behavior, especially known for his views that gender was learned rather than innate.

dude was just born too early. nowadays he'd be running school districts.


to be fair trans activists today try to distance themselves from that literal monster, still he was pivotal in the development of gender theory.

and a theory can rarely escape it's founders ideology.

but the mutilations and the pedophiliac tendencies are just something that happened on top of the Marxism that underpinned the whole theory.

gender theory is simply something generated, created, by some of the worst people who ever lived (marxists, pedophiles, sadistic doctors).

one might argue that theoretically that doesn't diminish the truth value of a theory, but when a theory is based upon circular logic, with no way to refute (or prove) it, and it's been invented and developed and refined by some of the worst people who ever lived...


I didn't know that about Sartre.....Camus still ok?


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