The costs of trans visibility

Just look it up. It's easy to find.

I mostly read it on this forum from conservatives and I mostly hear it from comedians and on Jordan Peterson ads on YT and some imitation Jordan Peterson I see ads from... Looking it up...Victor Davis Hansen.

Seems very hard to believe that rich people are joining the military at the same rate as poor people, if that's the argument.

My guess would be that both the destitute and the super-rich are under-represented, and there are far more of the former than the latter, skewing the average income up slightly.

They aren't rich but not poor. I believe the average is a little above average. It's not an argument, it's a fact. I have looked it up before and verified it before posting. You could have both googled it faster than replying here.

I have been to a gender clinic as a child, yes. And also had genital surgery, yes. The vast majority of people who go to a reputable gender clinic are not diagnosed as transgender. The vast majority of children who receive genital surgery are not transgender. The right is perfectly ok with children receiving genital surgery and in fact promotes it, unless those children are deemed transgender, then they oppose it even if it’s lifesaving.

The posts leading up to this, the progression of posts is amazing.

That is a good question chillrob. The answer is that those on the far right invent their own pseudo science to discriminate against groups that is harder to debunk than you may realize. The entire history of discrimination rests on pseudoscience.
For example Abraham lincoln had this to say:

The reason Abraham Lincoln said this is because at the time “race science”was so pervasive even well intentioned people could not escape it’s grasp. similar to “gender science “ today.
There were people like John Brown, who knew then that race science was wrong , just as I know the “science “ being used to victimize trans people is wrong today. But it still has to be refuted over the course of a 100 years.

Yes, of course those on the authoritarian right have invented a fantasy world where there authoritarian notions are a kind of libertarian war against “the marxists”. They wouldn’t know true individualism or liberty if it hit them upside the head.

https://www.mediamatters.org/diversity-d...

They can’t help it, and it is relevant to the debate. Those on the right have low openness to experience scores on average. So they imagine events from a narrower worldview on average.

This is one of the things responsible for their fantasy/ delusions that the main reason someone would dress up as a women is to go into the women’s bathroom and sexually assault them. Because, where they to dress up as a woman, which goes against their openness to new experiences, they imagine the purpose would be to sexually assault women. it’s projection.
Conservatives like sex, but they are very selective in who they think deserves sex based on openness to experience. As for themselves the straight conservative male they assume they are entitled to it in all directions and that women are sexual objects- hence dressing up like a woman or performing drag is sexual in nature.

No, you are wrong. For reasons that should be obvious the notion microbet noted is way way more nonsensical. Furthermore, very little police defunding has actually happened but if it did, society would obviously function better. That’s another topic.

Another thing I like about Bryce's posting is that when someone has a question about a "fact" he posts, he responds with something unrelated and acts like it proves his point.

Really, especially the bolded? You’re ignoring the entire history of the institutionalization of lgb issues in an incredibly discriminatory and nonbelieveable way just to make a narrow point about trans surgeries? that’s disgusting.

If you actually just cared about the potential misdiagnosis of some children, you need to acknowledge the long history of gays and lesbians being abused under the same logic, denounce the repeated transphobic posts in this thread, and then state your case in regards to your concerns.

So you agree and affirm the identity of trans individuals and are concerned for their wellbeing in regards to treatment , then what specifically are those concerns?
First acknowledge the abuse of trans individuals in this thread and elsewhere, acknowledge the arguments are copy/paste from the arguments used to oppress gays , then state your case.

How is that unrelated? I am describing why conservatives are more supportive of pedophilia.

Because originally you said

and what you posted doesn't support that. It also doesn't support "conservatives are more supportive of pedophilia".

There’s a difference between support and proving. It certainly supports that notion. No it doesn’t prove it. That is a separate debate, but also one that is obviously true.

Bryce's link seems to support that, or at least I don't see how it isn't at least relevant.

WAIT A SEC TRANSGENDER ISNT A DIAGNOSIS .

being trans is ONLY AND EXCLUSIVELY ABOUT SELF IDENTIFICATION and there is never any way to assess a self identification might be wrong, and even trying to do that is a violation of trans people rights, you guys have been saying this for the whole thread !!!

It's quite endearing.

It's not bad faith. I honestly contend that you couldn't help yourself when you added two paragraphs about how white Christian men are oppressed and that your first two paragraphs were just you saying what you knew you were supposed to say to make it look like this was some libertarian principle. That's not bad faith. And I don't think it's some wild stretch of mine either to interpret it that way. Why the hell would you have added the **** about the oppression of white Christian men otherwise?

men are discriminated against a lot, christians not so much (in the USA), oppressed is a word I didn't use.

I added itbecause it's an example of a discrimination which is tolerated by marxists, they actually want what they perceive to be the dominant groups to be discriminated against and damaged actively by society.

same as they damage actual women actively while pretending to help trans people, that's a feature not a bug of cultural Marxism.

And I'm not engaging with you in bad faith. I'm engaging with you with hostility. And that's because of stuff like you wanting to hire people to kill refugees in the sea and calling them "garbage people". I'm hostile to you because of your incredibly awful views.

Of course you didn't use the word "oppression". You reserve that word for people you want to call Marxists. But, when you whine about being oppressed you still need a word, so you say discriminated against.

Calling me Marxist and saying I used words I didn't use is purely bad faith.

And you are hostile because you feel bad agreeing with me on a lot of stuff while disagreeing basically only on immigration WHEN WELFARE EXISTS. Because at no welfare we agree on immigration as well.

You just feel bad someone you perceive having values opposite to yours actually ends up asking for most of the same things you ask for.