The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by microbet P

So athletes who have trained their whole lives to compete for medals care? Great, that's 0.001% of the population. Take it to SE.

and spots in college, and spots in professional sports etc. not to mention the thousands who just want to compete on a semi-level playing field.

so, lets up the number to maybe 2%? of course, this 2% matters less than the 2% that demand to compete vs women, even though they were born men.


Whats with the weird "You can tell I'm totally not racist because I am calling things that aren't racist racist" posts from the peanut gallery?


by sublime P

and spots in college, and spots in professional sports etc. not to mention the thousands who just want to compete on a semi-level playing field.

so, lets up the number to maybe 2%? of course, this 2% matters less than the 2% that demand to compete vs women, even though they were born men.

There are over half a million NCAA athletes

There are 32* trans athletes competing in the NCAA.

*As of early 2023


You guys remind me of the anti-pitbull crowd who act like there is this untold widespread suffering because of pitbulls when they kill like 30 people a year despite there being 20,000,000 pitbulls.

The numbers are so miniscule while we spend so much time and effort on outrage and policy. Its actual insanity.

And I often don't have these numbers off the top of my head. I'm just curious and spend 30 seconds googling.


Right cordi, if we forced everyone to play high school sports, we would double the player pool, widen the skill level of the participants and the .3 percent transgender athlete problem would disappear with all the anti maskers instead crying about their FREEDUMB to not play sports.


by coordi P

There are over half a million NCAA athletes

There are 32* trans athletes competing in the NCAA.

*As of early 2023

Wherever you look conservatives and reactionaries are petrified over things like this. They feed their fears and prejudices on anecdotes and next thing you know they are banning books and passing laws about whether teachers can say the word "gender". They demand the whole country turn into reactionary places like Florida or Riyadh.


by coordi P

There are over half a million NCAA athletes

There are 32* trans athletes competing in the NCAA.

*As of early 2023

Check if they win approximately the right proportion of medals


by coordi P

You guys remind me of the anti-pitbull crowd who act like there is this untold widespread suffering because of pitbulls when they kill like 30 people a year despite there being 20,000,000 pitbulls.

The numbers are so miniscule while we spend so much time and effort on outrage and policy. Its actual insanity.

And I often don't have these numbers off the top of my head. I'm just curious and spend 30 seconds googling.

Lol unarmed blacks killed by the police in the year before the BLM riots were literally 28 ("despite" approx 42m people being black).

They put the nation on fire because of that and you are on record fulling defending their riots


by washoe P

Yea, you are forgetting that there are some trans people that are really trans though.

But you are right that the radical left is overdoing it now.

No I don't. But none of them are minors.

In order to be sure to be actually trans you need to spend some years as a full adult bodied person.

There is no minor you could bet your life on, he is trans.

And if you can't bet your life on it, you can't bet HIS LIFE on it.

So no drugs, no surgery


"Nation on fire". There were 167 structure fires in the nationwide protests. There are over 360000 structure fires in the US every year.


by spaceman Bryce P

True, and in a patriarchal society, trans women and effeminate gay men are more bullied than trans men and lesbians on average due to misogyny.

Any source to prove lesbian women came out more eagerly than gay men, once homosexuality was more tolerated?


by Luciom P

Check if they win approximately the right proportion of medals

or break swimming records in the womens division after being ranked #462 in the mens division a year prior.


by Luciom P

Lol unarmed blacks killed by the police in the year before the BLM riots were literally 28 ("despite" approx 42m people being black).

They put the nation on fire because of that and you are on record fulling defending their riots

The point of my post being, the anti-pitbull people want the species wiped from the earth. Should we wipe out 20,000,000 pitbulls because they kill 30 people a year?

How many police are in the US? Should we wipe out all 700,000?

Thanks for giving me a new relative data point I guess. You are literally 28.5x more likely to be black (and unarmed!) and get murdered by a police officer in the US than be anyone and get killed by a pitbull. That is a reassuring statistic!


by microbet P

"Nation on fire". There were 167 structure fires in the nationwide protests. There are over 360000 structure fires in the US every year.

for relevance you must slice out how many of those 360,000 were set on purpose.


by coordi P

The point of my post being, the anti-pitbull people want the species wiped from the earth. Should we wipe out 20,000,000 pitbulls because they kill 30 people a year?

How many police are in the US? Should we wipe out all 700,000?

Thanks for giving me a new relative data point I guess. You are literally 28.5x more likely to be black (and unarmed!) and get murdered by a police officer in the US than be anyone and get killed by a pitbull. Tha

The denominator has to be encounters, and pitbulls almost only kills kids but try to invent whatever pleases you.

As for pitbulls, dogs just need insurance like cars. And insurance companies will tell you how much more likely it is for a pitbull to kill a kid than for another dog.


by Luciom P

Lol unarmed blacks killed by the police in the year before the BLM riots were literally 28 ("despite" approx 42m people being black).

They put the nation on fire because of that and you are on record fulling defending their riots

Btw, I never defended the riots, just called you a liar for claiming there were "hundreds of violent organized riots"


by coordi P

Btw, I never defended the riots, just called you a liar for claiming there were "hundreds of violent organized riots"

Organized I didn't say.

There were hundreds of riots as I said.

Hundreds of protests which ended up as riots.

Keep in mind that every one of them (of the riots) should have been met with lethal force.

You set cars on fire we kill everyone.

Like on Jan 6 they should have killed everyone trespassing federal buildings.


by Luciom P

Organized I didn't say.

There were hundreds of riots as I said.

Hundreds of protests which ended up as riots.

Keep in mind that every one of them (of the riots) should have been met with lethal force.

You set cars on fire we kill everyone.

Like on Jan 6 they should have killed everyone trespassing federal buildings.

gross


by spaceman Bryce P

gross

State monopoly of violence is to be used when other groups start using violence for political reasons. BLM riots, Jan 6 riots, anything riot, you start to shoot to kill until they stop.

That if you believe in the rule of law.


by Luciom P

Any source to prove lesbian women came out more eagerly than gay men, once homosexuality was more tolerated?

I have tons and tons of sources and have linked to and debated dozens of scientific studies in this very thread. and that doesn’t include articles or historical writers that have been discussed. But i’m pretty sure I don’t need any of that right now, i’m just having fun.



by Luciom P

Organized I didn't say.

There were hundreds of riots as I said.

Hundreds of protests which ended up as riots.

Keep in mind that every one of them (of the riots) should have been met with lethal force.

You set cars on fire we kill everyone.

Like on Jan 6 they should have killed everyone trespassing federal buildings.

by Luciom P

No I also use the hundreds of violent riots organized by them to dismiss any sort of validity for the organization, and to consider anyone who proudly supports them somebody who shouldn't be anywhere near kids.

I guess if I were being charitable I could interpret this as you saying they organized riots that turned violent, but riots are inherently violent and what they actually organized were protests so I really have no reason to be chartable with you.

Pretty sure many of the instances of violence and rioting from the BLM protests can be tied back to white supremacy groups that decided to join in.


by coordi P

I guess if I were being charitable I could interpret this as you saying they organized riots that turned violent, but riots are inherently violent and what they actually organized were protests so I really have no reason to be chartable with you.

Pretty sure many of the instances of violence and rioting from the BLM protests can be tied back to white supremacy groups that decided to join in.

Ok you are right I miss-explained myself there.

The protest were organized and inside them groups were already ready to riot. Not all PROTESTERS were rioters if I gave the impression to think that, I don't.

But the RIOTERS intended to illegally use violence for political purposes from the get go (which should be met with no mercy and lethal force)


Ofc the idea that white supremacist groups caused the BLM riots is absurd, has no basis, and is grotesque.

But anyway if that was true and the state had reacted as the moral imperative required (killing everyone rioting without mercy), a lot of white supremacists would have died so... What's bad about my proposal?


by sublime P

for relevance you must slice out how many of those 360,000 were set on purpose.

That doesn't have any bearing on whether the nation was on fire or not. I assume that you now are agreeing that the nation was on fire or why would you even argue with me at all on this point?


by microbet P

That doesn't have any bearing on whether the nation was on fire or not. I assume that you now are agreeing that the nation was on fire or why would you even argue with me at all on this point?

no, the nation wasn't on fire.

there were fires set by protestors.


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