The costs of trans visibility

Sublime, this is besides the point. I really hope you can understand that. It's not relevant to the question of whether the nation was on fire or not. But it's estimated that there are 267,000 arsons a year in the United states.

I've never said gay people are mentally ill, nor have I seen others in this thread do so.

I stand by my position that gender identity is not a real thing. Transgender people are people who perceive themselves and/or want to be perceived socially as the opposite sex. The term gender identity doesn't add anything useful to the conversation.

There's tons of anecdotal evidence from people who went down the trans medicalization route and later regretted it. Also tons of anecdotal evidence from older people saying that they felt moderate dysphoria as a teenager, but eventually worked through it on their own without treatment. (I'll admit that these are anecdotal accounts, and I have no idea how common it is as an overall percentage of trans-identifying or gender dysphoric people, but at the very least I'm convinced that it is a real issue.)

I've heard countless people in their 40s or older say that they are glad that transgender medicine didn't exist when they were younger, because they might have been caught up in the social contagion and gone through life-altering treatments. Meanwhile, I've never heard anyone in their 40s or 50s say they wish they had had the opportunity to be sterilized or have a mastectomy as a teenager.

Contrast this with the gay rights issue. Probably just about every gay person in their 40s or older now would say that their life would have been easier if homosexuality had been more accepted during their formative years. Meanwhile no straight person has ever said they're glad homosexuality wasn't accepted when they were younger because they might have been tempted to become gay - they know they wouldn't have, because homosexuality isn't something you pick up as part of a fad, or get tempted into, either you feel same-sex attraction or you don't.

So those protests and those fires which terrify reactionaries were a drop in the bucket even in the number of arsons. It conceivably shouldn't even have made the national news.

Lol BLM terrorists put thousands of cars and hundreds of buildings on fire, some of them federal buildings, but for them nothing special happened

No one said nothing happened, but you made that idiotic statement that the nation was on fire.

I think it’s incredibly bigoted to say trans women are not women and trans men are not men. Or to imply trans people are a fad. so i’m not interested in discussing particulars of surgeries (not in standards at all for those under 16, no genital surgeries are available for those under 18) because i have genuine concerns about care of transgender children myself, but when you decide to say they are not actually the gender they are then we can’t have that conversation.

And that’s not a strong contrast at all, the prevailing logic against gay marriage and for things like conversion therapy( that still exists today) is that they aren’t really gay but rather some sort of social contagion or personal issue that can be cured. You are using the same logic that has been used against gays and lesbians.

This is one of those things that if you had just spent 30 seconds googling you wouldn't look like an idiot but here we are. The original riots were literally incited by white supremacists, according to the police themselves

From Richmond VA: https://www.wsls.com/news/virginia/2020/...

This article covers multiple instances: https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-r...

Some more basis: https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/ar...

Even the whitehouse acknowledged that white supremecists had been inciting urban violence around the US: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2...

And I'm not going to claim those are all amazing sources, but to say "absurd, no basis, grotesque" is objectively wrong.

Lol.

Anyway, as I said, just kill all rioters of any political leaning next time, as it should always be the case.

No one should go out of home thinking he will riot against the state without meeting certain death

There’s the kind of thinking that would actually destroy society.

Omg this guy calls himself a libertarian. Your English is not generally bad Luciom, but you have some things incredibly wrong.

Luciom,

I know you said a while back that you'd happily leave Italy behind, but man, that's textbook fascist.

It's so textbook that I'm wondering if it's a direct Mussolini quote.

We call posts like this gaslighting because you are objectively trying to change our perception of recorded history.

https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu...

The anti-trans playbook is literally identical to the anti-gay playbook from before 2000

How very libertarian of you

I am not anarchocap nor anarchosocialist.

I use the libertarian label to allow people to understand I am just a classic liberal from 1875 who has some more history to build his politics upon.

I am miniarchist, or so they say. I do believe the state has a very limited role, but it's better to have a state with that role than nothing.

And in that very limited role there is the utmost defense of the rule of law and of order in general.

One of the very few reasons to pay taxes is to have armed men use violence, as much as needed, to stop random people to use violence on us.

So killing rioters is like one of the very basic roles of the state even for people who want the state to do very few things

I dunno about okay, but its certainly not a societal emergency that needs hundreds of millions of dollars worth of attention and policy

https://americandreaming.substack.com/p/...

B self identification, which is very positive in general, has nothing to do with trans topics though.

A lot of people have always being B, especially if we include asymmetrical Bis, like people who tend to be hetero but don't deny some kind of homosexual relationship could be fine for them (like me and a ton of other people), or at least they think that in their mind and are open to that if the situation arises.

FYP.

Out there just smashing those glass ceilings like a champ. Multiple body lengths like it's no big deal. Just another Tuesday for the person who couldn't find a podium in the men's division.

I always get a kick out of the justification for letting men into women's sports being, "Relax, there are hardly any men trying to get into women's sports."

You break down this barrier and more will follow.

If I'm a mediocre male athlete and can score a free $250k education by growing my hair out and wearing a tighter outfit than I do now, I could be convinced. More importantly, the true sickos out there who impose this on their kids have a much lower hurdle to get over.

Luciom already mentioned the families who managed to birth several "theybies" in defiance of this extremely small natural occurrence of this according to those in the know. I assume a fair number of you know of a kid that dealt with a parent that forced them into a heavy sports life early on at a detriment to their well being, in hopes of inspiring the next Tiger Woods, or at the very least trying to get a free college education. My own daughter ended up with my size and I did my best to try and convince her to volleyball her way to a free ride somewhere, but she chose art and horseback riding for her leisure activities instead of the sort of athletics that get you a scholarship. Earl Woods was accused of some pretty sketchy behavior with Tiger. Ditto for Richard Williams. Now think about the many many thousands of other kids who didn't become the best in their respective sports but still had to deal with the shitty childhood.

I know for a fact that all of you are aware of the general toxicity that occurs in youth sports in general. Parents often need to be reminded that no college scholarships will be handed out at any given game.

I saw some clips of the Riley Gaines interview, and I'm inclined to believe her about what kind of nonsense goes on at that level today. It's a real "**** you" to all of the women who Title IX was meant to serve.

have to disagree with you here. the people commit crimes under the guise of protesting should be prosecuted but in many of these cases its just a matter of people having too much time on their hands and following a hip trend on social media. this goes for both the BLM people and the Jan 6th people. most, not all, but most, of both groups are harmless idiots.

If you catch them after the fact sure.

But when they start doing violent illegal things and you are there as a law enforcer, shoot to kill.

People simply shouldn't even consider the option of doing violent stuff because they are bored, stressed, disagree with POTUS or congress and so on.

They should know they die if they try every times with no mercy.

Thanks inso you got the core of what I meant about parental pressure

again, disagree.

imagine you are protesting the presence of some trans book in schools. 5% of protestors then start breaking windows, lighting fires etc. you cant just have the police shooting at everyone.