The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
Data is hard to find on this but as far as I can tell, outside of Lia, there was one other transitioned athlete who performed exceptionally with CeCe Telfer winning the Divion II 400 meter hurdle national championship
So I dunno, how do you reconcile this? Is one dominant trans person one too many? The answer is clearly yes for many in this thread.
For every Lia there are multiple Juniper's
Juniper Eastwood competed in long-distance running at the University of Montana, finishing 8th in the 2019 Big Sky cross-country conference championship. Eastwood has pointed out that her pre-transition times in high school would have made her a national champion in the women’s category. In 2020, Eastwood won the mile at the Big Sky Conference indoor track championships, making her the first trans student-athlete to win a conference title at the NCAA Division I level.
have to disagree with you here. the people commit crimes under the guise of protesting should be prosecuted but in many of these cases its just a matter of people having too much time on their hands and following a hip trend on social media. this goes for both the BLM people and the Jan 6th people. most, not all, but most, of both groups are harmless idiots.
You probably thought I was being harsh to him or something, but then you find out what he's really like. I don't mind disagreeing with people, even on moral issues that I think are important, but someone talking about all the murdering that he wants the state to do comes around it should at least be brought up once in a while, no?
FYP.
Out there just smashing those glass ceilings like a champ. Multiple body lengths like it's no big deal. Just another Tuesday for the person who couldn't find a podium in the men's division.
I always get a kick out of the justification for letting men into women's sports being, "Relax, there are hardly any men trying to get into women's sports."
You break down this barrier and more will follow.
If I'm a mediocre male athlete and can score
if there is one silver lining to that mediocre male athlete shattering womens records its that it wakes a lot of people who probably lean a little left wake the **** up as to whats happening out there. it will be the same thing when
"man to woman" types start using ladies rooms and sexual assaults go up.
again, disagree.
imagine you are protesting the presence of some trans book in schools. 5% of protestors then start breaking windows, lighting fires etc. you cant just have the police shooting at everyone.
the others should leave asap when violence happens.
that's 101 protesting.
and groups should kick in the ass the violent ones to begin with, you have a responsibility when you choose to associate with someone.
to be clear I did protest against vax passes in Italy (as a vaxxed person).
when things got violent I went away straight up, immediately
You probably thought I was being harsh to him or something, but then you find out what he's really like. I don't mind disagreeing with people, even on moral issues that I think are important, but someone talking about all the murdering that he wants the state to do comes around it should at least be brought up once in a while, no?
no, i didnt mind you disagreeing with him to the level you did. its obvious me and you disagree on many issues but i have no issue with you getting pissed off at certain things. i dont think you're a bad person. on the whole, you're most likely a better human than i am. i also believe that when someone is overly good, or perhaps, overly sensitive to the plights of others it can also be dangerous.
i have no idea if he will change his mind on said subject but when you allow open discourse the chance is always there.
FYP.
Out there just smashing those glass ceilings like a champ. Multiple body lengths like it's no big deal. Just another Tuesday for the person who couldn't find a podium in the men's division.
I always get a kick out of the justification for letting men into women's sports being, "Relax, there are hardly any men trying to get into women's sports."
You break down this barrier and more will follow.
If I'm a mediocre male athlete and can score
Yeah, you don't get to just grow out your hair and throw on a tight outfit and compete. That is so far detached from reality it hurts.
the others should leave asap when violence happens.
that's 101 protesting.
and groups should kick in the ass the violent ones to begin with, you have a responsibility when you choose to associate with someone
there is a very strong likelihood in these scenarios that innocent people are going to be killed. there is almost a guarantee that someone young, dumb, but still basically not a threat to the world will be killed.
if there is one silver lining to that mediocre male athlete shattering womens records its that it wakes a lot of people who probably lean a little left wake the **** up as to whats happening out there. it will be the same thing when
"man to woman" types start using ladies rooms and sexual assaults go up.
It woke me the **** up that you guys have no clue what you are talking about, that is for sure.
Yeah, you don't get to just grow out your hair and throw on a tight outfit and compete. That is so far detached from reality it hurts.
so, what step did he miss? taking some medication? in the span of less than a year, said swimmer went from unknown male athlete to record breaking woman athlete. it can't be that complicated of a process.
there is a very strong likelihood in these scenarios that innocent people are going to be killed. there is almost a guarantee that someone young, dumb, but still basically not a threat to the world will be killed.
yes that's possible.
just don't join protests that can become riots is the lesson. stay the **** away from enemies of the state is the lesson
It woke me the **** up that you guys have no clue what you are talking about, that is for sure.
as opposed to you, all knowing person?
you guys (leftists) think anyone who disagrees with you is simply uneducated, when the truth is we think the education you choose to receive is basically nonsense made up on the fly to support a position.
Data is hard to find on this but as far as I can tell, outside of Lia, there was one other transitioned athlete who performed exceptionally with CeCe Telfer winning the Divion II 400 meter hurdle national championship
So I dunno, how do you reconcile this? Is one dominant trans person one too many? The answer is clearly yes for many in this thread.
For every Lia there are multiple Juniper's
I notice you edited this we are at 2 outstanding athletes out of 32.
According to this very trans-friendly source
so, what step did he miss? taking some medication? in the span of less than a year, said swimmer went from unknown male athlete to record breaking woman athlete. it can't be that complicated of a process.
as opposed to you, all knowing person?
you guys (leftists) think anyone who disagrees with you is simply uneducated, when the truth is we think the education you choose to receive is basically nonsense made up on the fly to support a position.
I'm not takling about general life views, I'm talking about specific points you are trying to make through your posting.
You just post a ton of junk.
Like thinking a sample size of 1 is a wake the **** up moment for anyone but yourself
It does include the whole testosterone level testing part though, which is supposedly the issue
trans women don't deserve to compete in women's sports because they were born with testicles that produce over 10x the amount of testosterone which produce wildly increased amounts of strength and muscular development.
Beginning Aug. 1, 2022, participation in NCAA sports requires transgender student-athletes to provide documentation that meets the above criteria for the 2010 NCAA policy, plus meet the sport standard for documented testosterone levels at three points in time: 1. Prior to any competition during the regular season; 2. Prior to the first competition in an NCAA championship event; and 3. Prior to any competition in the non-championship segment.
So yeah I guess if mediocre dude athletes want to spend a year suppressing their giga chad 10x testosterone levels to maybe compete against women at an elite level, according to the people in this thread who "totally don't care what adults do", they should be able to do that right?
I don't really believe you but whatever, your report of one instance is worthless. You don't even try to claim anything about who you most often hear using the term, just about how you heard it one time.
I almost never hear anyone using the term. That's the only time I can remember hearing it for a long time.
it will be the same thing when
"man to woman" types start using ladies rooms and sexual assaults go up.
We already have jurisdictions that explicitly allow or don't restrict the right of trans people to use the bathrooms of their choice. I can't find with just a few minutes of searching something terribly new, but all the data I do find shows 2 things:
1) There is no increase in bathroom sexual assaults when trans people can use the bathroom of their choice.
2) Trans people are less likely to be sexually assaulted when they can use the bathroom of their choice.
Here's just some of that data, but if you're actually interested in this I'm sure there's more out there:
For point 1: https://link.springer.com/article/10.100...
For point 2: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31061223...
