The costs of trans visibility

The statistics won't matter as long a they can be countered with anecdotes.

No the issue is having a male puberty, which permanently changes your bone and muscular structure.

hard lol at this, you clearly didn't read it because the "statistics" you reference are literally anecdotes themselves - was all survey based which is a very weak and highly subjective garbage in garbage out system - especially for something like this

the other is a comparison between a few places in mass that had specialized bathrooms and those which didn't and of course they don't reveal anything unless you pay for the article

all they have for a conclusion is "sexual assault is super rare so no need to fret about it" which is horrendous and also absolutely conflicts with the other "study" gangsta posted saying that all trans are sexually assualted on the reg - so which one is it? it never happens so don't worry about it or it happens all the time and they need protection?

but more importantly, the paywal hidden one expressly says there is no data

thus your strawman argument here is exposing you didn't click those links

12 month survey of 3700 people will be countered by one story if it ever comes.

I don't think the bathroom warriors actually believe allowing trans to choose which bathroom to use increases any threat and certainly not the aggregate threat. Do you even think it does Rick?

i've stated repeatedly i don't think any trans are switching bathrooms to assault anyone - I think they're just trying to live their best life and would have absolutely zero problems with any trans people in any bathrooms

I just don't like codifying it into a loophole to be exploited by bad actors

a source that claims that sexual assault is super rare (in general, well before discussing trans issues) should be tossed away as complete garbage (on any topic) given this (and this is a pro-trans-activist bathroom policies BECAUSE sexual assaults are very common, and they think they can reduce them a tad for trans by allowing them to use the bathroom of their choice)

Of all students surveyed, 1 out of every 4, or 25.9%, reported being a victim of sexual assault in the past year.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-i...

They can't: to only allow actual trans people in the opposite bathroom, they would need third party validation , an objective one, of trans status, while they want self identification to be the only thing that matters.

Then there is the issue of "non binaries" which tbh is very gross if it becomes, as Bryce stated, that they can choose any bathroom they want every time

I would be wholly onboard if we made it into something like having a drivers license (well not quite that severe perhaps more like a medical marijuana card just not the "I sometimes have trouble sleeping can I get weed" kind of card)

I know this is a third rail issue because if there's government databases and lists of trans people that sets up potential for bad actors to then persecute them so I get why it'll never happen anytime in the near future

but I can see something like an organ donor sticker on your drivers license, a bathroom freedom sticker per se

just need to put on an additional hurdle to prevent someone like me from going to the female locker room in the gym where I walk around naked and watch the other women and telling the ladies that I'm trans and the problem is their own bigotry if they have a problem with it

Ok, you don't like the idea, but do you think it will be a real problem?

This is just a guess on my part, but I think born-male-transitioned-to-women will protect women in bathrooms more often than they or someone pretending to be trans will rape women in bathrooms. Most women raped by men in bathrooms will continue to be just raped by men who followed them in. It's still going to be physically possible for a born-male-continues-to-live-as-male person to walk into a women's bathroom.

Wat? It's just a list of right-wing guys who have dodgy sexual history - how on earth is it evidence of anything other than men's average prefer younger women?

It certainly wouldn't take much googling to find or create an equivalent list of left-wing guys guilty of similar or worse misdemeanours.

rightwing people who are on record to decriminalize sex with 12 years old might exist but i don't know any; while there are some of the most influential radical leftists thinkers , still considered exceptionally important by the radical lefts and cited endlessly in gender studies and other disciplines, who did exactly that in the 60s and 70s.

So unless you could find equivalent level rightwing thinkers who expressedly asked to legalize sex with 12y old, i think the claim that the radical left is much more pro pedophiles than the right is true.

I moved the race discussion to the boc thread. It got a bit too large of a derail here.

Then create the equivalent

I already found the list and posted that its 3:1 republican going back 25 years, but knock yourself out

And you think mediocre male athletes are going to go through a years worth of hormonal transition to potentially get an edge in womens sports and that this will be a wide spread issue?

That was what the discussion was about. How dudes can just self identify and throw on a womens swimsuit and compete. We are just going to act like that discussion wasn't happening because coordi dropped a link to NCAA rules?

What qualifies as professional level swimming in your mind? Do you have any evidence that any sport has suffered a loss of thousands of participants because of a transgender athlete?

At what point do the preferences of actual women and girls come into the equation? If a woman (maybe with a history of being sexually harassed or molested) says she doesn't feel comfortable with biological men in her spaces, who are you to tell her that she's wrong?

Why shouldn't women have the right to have a (biological) female only space if they want it?

Never, the freedom of people who don't want to associate with someone doesn't exist in his framework

Approximately being able to live doing that, not on top of another job.

As I said for the hypothesis of declined participation I am not sure we can measure that, also because afaik swimming was losing participants anyway and I think COVID in general did it's part as well, so we are in a heavy-confounders situation

What? Can you name a single professional swimmer?

So, you are not able to show any sport with declining participation because of a transgender athlete, not even, as you guessed, thousands of female swimmers.

Yeah one cool fact about women's sports is that we do not in fact have 15 Lia Thomases destroying all of competitive sport and all of these hysterical fears seem overblown.

Some of these arguments are seriously off the deep end (pardon the pun). Who cares if there are 50 men competing in women's swimming or only 1? The point is the number should be zero.

We don't have 15 Lia Thomases, but we do have 16 female athletes suing the NCAA over its misogynist policy, and that inevitable pushback, occurring everywhere all the time, against a ludicrous ideology, is why we don't have 15 Lia Thomases.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dozen-female-a...

Except the absolute number is in the hundreds (thousands?) and wasn't an issue until CeCe, which wasn't that big of an issue because it was division II, then wasn't an issue again until Lia.

Nobody cares if trans people participate in sports, they only care if they win

Wow sounds like another thing for no one to give a **** about.