Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

Think this merits its own thread...

Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..

AM YISRAEL CHAI.


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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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Large families are a matter of faith for many religiously conservative populations.


“For us, family is part of faith. It’s not something we choose,” said Malka Silberstein, a principal of a girls’ school who settled here with her family 35 years ago.

There are three religious tenets that drive our growth: Our women don't use birth control, they get married young, and after they get married, they stay in Kiryas Joel and start a family. Our growth comes simply from the fact that our families have a lot of babies, and we need to build homes to respond to the needs of our community.

— Gedalye Szegedin, village administrator

These are quotes from members of the Hasidic community, Kiryas Joel. It is the poorest municipality in the nation and also the lowest median age. 40% of the 20k people who live there are on food stamps, and virtually every family and social service there is heavily reliant on public assistance and American tax dollars.

Where is Mets to tell them they are irresponsible people who don’t care about their children?


by Crossnerd P

Large families are a matter of faith for many religiously conservative populations.


These are quotes from members of the Hasidic community, Kiryas Joel. It is the poorest municipality in the nation and also the lowest median age. 40% of the 20k people who live there are on food stamps, and virtually every family and social service there is heavily reliant on public assistance and American tax dollars.

Where is Mets to tell them they are irre

I'll say they are very irresponsible. But not as much as people who do the same thing in a war zone prison state.


This is some Stage I banality of evil stuff in here. Those bad/stupid/irresponsible/vermin breed like rabbits happening and people justifying it and not seeing what they are saying.


Completely deranged bloodthirsty ****, honestly some of most worst discourse I've seen on the internet. Doing a great job as always, bowser.


by Trolly McTrollson P

Completely deranged bloodthirsty ****, honestly some of most worst discourse I've seen on the internet. Doing a great job as always, bowser.

its very weak compared to Israeli twitter.


Chasidic jews in america are very immoral with how they game the system no doubt
American law allows them to game it, which is bad

Not sure how that's relevant to already being in poverty and purposely having many kids who are destined to be in poverty

And again you are ignoring arafat demanding Palestinians to. It isn't about religion



by chillrob P

I'll say they are very irresponsible. But not as much as people who do the same thing in a war zone prison state.

Now go as far as Mets goes with Gazans and say it’s because they’re Jewish.

The issue should illuminate itself for you.


Arafat’s been dead for 20 ****ing years. 40% of Gaza’s population is under the age of 14.


by metsandfinsfan P

And again you are ignoring arafat demanding Palestinians to. It isn't about religion

No one is ignoring it, the point is simply so stupid it's not worth addressing. Gazans are not having children because Arafat told them to 20 years ago as part of a devious plot any more than the Hasidic Jews are. This is simply what regular-ass people do, they have babies, they get fruitful and multiply. They care about their children.


by microbet P

This is some Stage I banality of evil stuff in here.

This. Just FFS.

Look in the mirror. Don’t become what you hate.


by Trolly McTrollson P

No one is ignoring it, the point is simply so stupid it's not worth addressing. Gazans are not having children because Arafat told them to 20 years ago as part of a devious plot any more than the Hasidic Jews are. This is simply what regular-ass people do, they have babies, they get fruitful and multiply. They care about their children.

This x10000000

Even China couldn’t get its people to have babies. Nobody is procreating out of some patriotic duty.


by Crossnerd P

Now go as far as Mets goes with Gazans and say it’s because they’re Jewish.

The issue should illuminate itself for you.

Don't know what you mean, I'm on record many times as saying no one should reproduce, it has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity.


by grizy P

This x10000000

Even China couldn’t get its people to have babies. Nobody is procreating out of some patriotic duty.

That may have been influenced by the fact that the previous generation they tried to get people to have fewer babies, which definitely worked.

Also, have you never heard of "lie back and think of England"? It's definitely been seen as patriotic to reproduce in many cultures, and that definitely is one of the reasons people have a lot of children.


by Crossnerd P

Arafat’s been dead for 20 ****ing years. 40% of Gaza’s population is under the age of 14.

I'm sure the current leaders feel the same way, they just haven't stated it as succinctly. You folks are so into defending the oppressed that you're blind to what's right in front of your face and deny what is stated by group leaders.


by grizy P

This. Just FFS.

Look in the mirror. Don’t become what you hate.

Don't worry, I'm not going to become a parent.


Israel bombed the last place for surgery in the north.

lots of reports of mass executions at Al Shifa for the past few days. just taking groups of 3-10 people into the morgue and shooting them.

Israel is not bothering with ovens. they are just going to use the blood and bone of those they murdered to build upon the stolen land.



There's going to be buildings made of blood and bone? Victor predicted it first, folks - can't wait for the gloating post about how he was right again.


by chillrob P

There's going to be buildings made of blood and bone? Victor predicted it first, folks - can't wait for the gloating post about how he was right again.

What you should be asking is how he knew he was going to be right.


by Trolly McTrollson P

Completely deranged bloodthirsty ****, honestly some of most worst discourse I've seen on the internet. Doing a great job as always, bowser.

Thanks for reporting those horrible posts to call the mods attention to them. Oh, wait. You didn't. The worst **** youve ever seen on the internet but apparently it didnt rise to the level where you think you should do your part by identifying the posts to the mods.

You know well that mods dont read every thread in real time. Esp like in my case, being on Thailand time, most posts in this forum occur during my overnight hours when Im asleep, and then I take a look in the morning. And the first place I look is post reports. I happen to see this now, around 2am, because I received a message from the US and it woke me up. I'll take mod action as needed later after Im up and read through all the posts.

So if you actually want to contribute something to the forum, try reporting posts. Don't hide behind the excuse some do about once upon a time I reported a post and nothing happened, or I never got a pm about it, so Im never going to report a post again no matter how bad it is. That's a cop out.

The fact is that as I type this, there hasnt been a single post report about anything in this thread, by anyone, in four days. We all have our role to play in identifying posts thatvrequire mod action. The first line is the members themselves. And that includes you.


just about every post by the Israeli supporters and Hamas haters is hateful. its not really possible to do either of those things without supporting genocide.


by metsandfinsfan P

Not sure how that's relevant to already being in poverty and purposely having many kids who are destined to be in poverty

Hasidic communities are already in abject poverty and rely on welfare (and welfare fraud) at a rate that far exceeds the general population while purposefully having many children who are destined to be in poverty.

Furthermore, their children are denied an education and are instead funneled into private religious schools. They aren’t taught English, so they can never leave their Yiddish communities. The cycle is intentional. Where then are your criticisms of our own brothers? Enough with the pretense about Gazans and their disaffection for their own children. You don’t know anything about it.


like anyone who supports this stuff is just sick.

they bombed an orphanage today too btw


by browser2920 P

Thanks for reporting those horrible posts to call the mods attention to them. Oh, wait. You didn't. The worst **** youve ever seen on the internet but apparently it didnt rise to the level where you think you should do your part by identifying the posts to the mods.

You know well that mods dont read every thread in real time. Esp like in my case, being on Thailand time, most posts in this forum occur during my overnight hours when Im asleep

Bowser the fact is that troll and a few others consider even a vague attempt to vaguely imply something bad about an ethnic group, full blown racism that deserves censorship in this forum.

But they know you wouldn't censor that content so they don't report, but whine about the fact you wouldn't ban that content.


you're not subtle in the slightest. that moderation hides behind the "no one reported anything" but somehow finds Trolly's complaint to respond to is the ultimate leolol as far is this forum is concerned


by chillrob P

Don't know what you mean, I'm on record many times as saying no one should reproduce, it has nothing to do with religion or ethnicity.

Since i saw i was mentioned in a quote

I don't think anyone should have more than 2 children unless they can afford it without government assistance


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