Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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Vic, turn off your galaxy brain of love.
Disconnect, you're upset
Im always upset. I dont like genocide.
It's boring
This is the only thing I'm fairly sure of. Hamas won't survive this.
They have a force coming at them that simply won't let them off the hook for Oct 7th.
It will not survive as a military entity but the political wing will survive... arguably come back from irrelevance.
Just to be clear, I have no doubt a majority of the Hamas fighters will be absorbed by or reformed as an underground resistance group. In the short term at least, Hamas will need to distance itself from the military wing and, if Israel plays its cards right, may find itself cracking down on the military wing ala Fatah/PA style vs. WB militants.
If you want to reprise the role of the harassed, we can take it to PM where harassment happens apparently. I stand by my every word.
Or we can shine a light on the pathology(yours and mine) publicly in an appropriate thread.
In this thread, you provide your 3rd-grade-classroom-level aidsnalysis on Israel/Palestine.
naw dont pm me. you will get the same rejection from me that you got from RiskyF.
my pathology is that I dont like scumbags and people that support genocide. your pathology is much worse.
Vic, you're an ate up clown. I posted the exchange after it happened. I'm sure you've a dossier on it
Let's air it out, white knight
Got a lot on your plate, rehashing some Mickey Mouse pettiness and saving the world
nah I just dont like you. nothing to hash out. I just dont like you. I dont like people who harass others. and I dont like people who [strike]love[/strike] support genocide.
I dont like Risky either and I dont post there anymore bc I dont like people like you or her or your fans there. you should go back and take your genocide support there.
Eat my kosher ass with relish
No documented harassment worth airing out, just the allegation. Get done, vic
comparison is how we understand the word -Masha Gessen an anti-Putin Jew.
this is what I see when these kids are blown up for sport
dark imagery, owing to notable skills, for the titillation of the West
So then is it feasible that they wouldn't have signed off on 10/7?
Personally I find it hard to believe that 3,000 fighters were mobilized and both Iranian and Israeli intelligence knew nothing of it. Just saying, I guess it's possible?
Inviolate
It will not survive as a military entity but the political wing will survive... arguably come back from irrelevance.
Just to be clear, I have no doubt a majority of the Hamas fighters will be absorbed by or reformed as an underground resistance group. In the short term at least, Hamas will need to distance itself from the military wing and, if Israel plays its cards right, may find itself cracking down on the military wing ala Fatah/PA style
I think you are discounting how much support there is for militants in Palestinian society, and how little there is for any theoretical peaceful govt. Short of actually destroying the militant groups and destroying the ability of Iran to smuggle them weapons, I don't see any future where militants will lose control of the streets and the hearts and minds of the people. And they will always have the capability to spoil any potential peace down the road minus a radical change in the paradigm.
It will not survive as a military entity but the political wing will survive... arguably come back from irrelevance.
Just to be clear, I have no doubt a majority of the Hamas fighters will be absorbed by or reformed as an underground resistance group. In the short term at least, Hamas will need to distance itself from the military wing and, if Israel plays its cards right, may find itself cracking down on the military wing ala Fatah/PA style
Absorbed and likely grow. It will be an uphill battle. Israel needs to have some kind of Palestinian entity that is working towards expelling the extremists.
If the political wing of Hamas is not allowed in the government then they will play the role of ruining any attempts at a government which will be devastating.
Absorbed and likely grow. It will be an uphill battle. Israel needs to have some kind of Palestinian entity that is working towards expelling the extremists.
If the political wing of Hamas is not allowed in the government then they will play the role of ruining any attempts at a government which will be devastating.
Did you see the last poll? The "extremists" are the vast majority of Gazans. The people overwhelmingly want Hamas to remain. They want the Jihad to continue. River to the sea.
But yeah, it seems pretty obvious that if they choose to go that route, Gaza will have no development and best case scenario is they just get enough food aid to survive. But it seems there is just so much nihilistic hate and prejudice the people are ok with this.
Israeli officials obtained Hamas's battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened, documents, emails and interviews show. But Israeli military and intelligence officials dismissed the plan as aspirational, considering it too difficult for Hamas to carry out.Dec 2, 2023
-New York times
That's something from 2017, for public release, not their original charter. Of course they're going to try to make themselves appear not to support genocide.
I've already quoted the charter and given links earlier in this thread. You can be as dishonest as you like, everyone knows what the truth is.
This is the only thing I'm fairly sure of. Hamas won't survive this.
They have a force coming at them that simply won't let them off the hook for Oct 7th.
Maybe not. The only thing I'm sure of is, if Hamas is completely gone, very quickly a new group of Palestinians, with the same genocidal goals, will arise to take its place. Regardless of them getting their own state or not.
