President Joe Biden

President Joe Biden

Right now, we need VP Biden, we need him to step down and drop out so Bernie sanders can save this country from this global crisis just like FDR.

A thread to debate the efficacy of a Joe Biden Presidency in the midst of a global pandemic and impending Great Recession/Depression.

Where is Joe Biden? Can he beat Trump and is he even trying to? What would a Joe Biden Presidency look like in these times? Where is he and why isn't he leading?

20 March 2020 at 09:14 PM
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by Montrealcorp P

yes proving how clueless the amercians are in many things. -> deficient public education.

the american economy is the best in the world like the past 24 months +...

this was written over summer 2023 !
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-econo...


But when u know like almost 40% of the population are close to blind on facts, it isnt surprising the economy is doing bad when its "blue" regardless of any


What facts are they blind too?


I know Biden promised more Student loan forgiveness will that have to stand up to another Supreme Court ruling or like the last one a pipe dream that will never happen?


by lozen P

What facts are they blind too?

The US economy is much better than they think it is .
And since people like baham and maga think only gdp going up that matters well it’s exactly what’s been happening …


by Montrealcorp P

The US economy is much better than they think it is .
And since people like baham and maga think only gdp going up that matters well it’s exactly what’s been happening …

The US economy is (very) good currently under several objective, measurable definitions (unemployment especially), but quality of life for the median working American isn't as good as those objective measures would imply in other circumstances, especially for people that don't own their houses or that bought very recently.

Economic data isn't massaged nor a fraud, it's objective and presented by actual experts with a lot of credibility.

Problem is other trends are happening which are terrible for specific subsets of the population and which people usually describe as a bad economy (even if economic textbooks don't).

For example the percentage of under35, living with their parents is the highest ever.

EXAMPLE: For American normal middle class parents having your 29y old son or daughter at home can often mean being an abject failure at parenting, a disgrace, a fraud, with an incompetent and hapless adult child.

Unless the economy is SO TERRIBLE, that's the only option. So ofc you are going to think it's the economy overall, and not some very specific dynamics that, while rewarding a lot of people immensely, punish the 18-35 more than even before in history.

The fact that many 56y old are laughing every day because his fixed 3% rate mortgage payment is ridiculously low for a house that keep appreciating while his nominal income increases a lot as well, so they basically got a huge real discount on the house they bought 7, 10, 15 years ago, isn't going to help to convince the 69y old who already paid off his mortgage than his 31y old child isn't incompetent if he can't afford to buy a house even if the 69y old did at 26


My argument would be that the problem(s) you point out are a result of the constantly increasing wealth gap and that no economy fixes that sort of problem. Only when the babhabs of the world realize that trickle down economics is total b.s. and that funneling money to the top 1% isn't good for our country will these sorts of things get fixed.


by biggerboat P

My argument would be that the problem(s) you point out are a result of the constantly increasing wealth gap and that no economy fixes that sort of problem. Only when the babhabs of the world realize that trickle down economics is total b.s. and that funneling money to the top 1% isn't good for our country will these sorts of things get fixed.

How is the wealth gap causing house prices to increase more than wages ffs 65% more or less own their houses, wealth gap is a phenomenon about the top 1-10% vs the rest.

If the bezos of the world all become 10x wealthier while the rest stays the same, a studio in Boulder, CO suburbs won't change in price ffs.


by Luciom P

How is the wealth gap causing house prices to increase more than wages ffs 65% more or less own their houses, wealth gap is a phenomenon about the top 1-10% vs the rest.

If the bezos of the world all become 10x wealthier while the rest stays the same, a studio in Boulder, CO suburbs won't change in price ffs.

House prices go up when interest rates are low .
When all the wealth gets bundle up In the hands of a few , economic growth gets extremely difficult without low interest rates and government creating debts to spend in the economy .
Economic growth is done by creating goods and services but it’s damn hard to achieve when the median low has 0% in increase in wealth to spend ….
Which is exactly what happens since 2008.

All majority U.S. growth been done by debts, no wonder the debt is so high today ( by both party’s).


by Luciom P

The US economy is (very) good currently under several objective, measurable definitions (unemployment especially), but quality of life for the median working American isn't as good as those objective measures would imply in other circumstances, especially for people that don't own their houses or that bought very recently.

Economic data isn't massaged nor a fraud, it's objective and presented by actual experts with a lot of credibility.

Probl

Yes but it’s far better then anywhere else in the world .
And every American owning a house is more utopia then an economic feasibility.
And yes some part of the economy is hard but it’s just basic economic cycles like house prices.

The general vision of American judging the economy is very bad just do not make much sense.


Biden and Trump have more in common than almost everyone is willing to admit.

which btw is why Biden is the best possible democrat candidate, as he can contest voters that would otherwise be absolutely Trump voters.

Paradoxically, the only voice that is constantly claiming this is the radical left, which in this case is spot on right


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Why is he saying that?
Who is better for legalization, Trump or Biden?

There are still people in jail for this. people have been in jail for
30, 40, 50 years for this. Does he let them all out now? Did he?

Who will end the failed war on drugs, Trump or Biden?


by washoe P

Why is he saying that? He said the complete opposite a few years ago, didnt he? Who is better for legalization, Trump or Biden?


There are still people in jail for this. people have been in jail for

30, 40, 50 years for this. Does he let them all out now? Did he?


Who will end the failed war on drugs?

Afaik, POTUS can simply stop enforcing federal drug laws and pardon all people in jail for cannabis possession when he wants to.

Otoh POTUS can't do nothing if I am not mistaken about states where cannabis is illegal, and people in jail for state drug crimes.


by Luciom P

Afaik, POTUS can simply stop enforcing federal drug laws and pardon all people in jail for cannabis possession when he wants to.

Otoh POTUS can't do nothing if I am not mistaken about states where cannabis is illegal, and people in jail for state drug crimes.


Did he do it though? He said "no people should be in jail"


Does that mean he left them out? that would be the question.


by washoe P

Why is he saying that?
Who is better for legalization, Trump or Biden?

There are still people in jail for this. people have been in jail for
30, 40, 50 years for this. Does he let them all out now? Did he?

Who will end the failed war on drugs, Trump or Biden?

I don't know, but Republicans are responsible for most of the war on drugs. It was stated under Nixon and boosted by Reagan.

I believe the states where marijuana has been legalized are all mostly run by democrats. Certainly they mostly are.


New York is going nuts with cannabis btw. It is all legal. Even in Virginia now. They are smoking in front of the cops on times square for the first time in a 100 years.


Trumps swing is fine btw for an 80 old. better than expected. But then again he owns several gold clubs I suppose.


by washoe P

Did he do it though? He said "no people should be in jail"


Does that mean he left them out? that would be the question.

Here you get your answers (he ended up doing very little in practice)

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/correcti...


by chillrob P

I don't know, but Republicans are responsible for most of the war on drugs. It was stated under Nixon and boosted by Reagan.

I believe the states where marijuana has been legalized are all mostly run by democrats. Certainly they mostly are.


Thanks,

Do you think Trump is good for legalizazion, ending the war on drugs?


are these states all biden?
states where cannabis is legal now:

Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington.


by Luciom P

Here you get your answers (he ended up doing very little in practice)

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/correcti...


Thats what I thought, thanks. So he is just a liar, again.


by washoe P

Thanks, yeah the major states that got the ball rolling are

CA, Colorado, and NY now, or something.

Oregon and Washington were near the front as well.

I don't think there is currently any war on marijuana. The feds could be going after sellers in all these states where it is being sold openly, as it is still against federal law. But no president of either party has gone after them, and I doubt any will.


by chillrob P

Oregon and Washington were near the front as well.

I don't think there is currently any war on marijuana. The feds could be going after sellers in all these states where it is being sold openly, as it is still against federal law. But no president of either party has gone after them, and I doubt any will.

Yes.

No its still a mess. the cartels are still bringing it in from mexico etc.
Although not as much as they used to. The sellers are still mostly drug dealers. (blackmarket)


by washoe P

Yes.

No its still a mess. the cartels are still bringing it in from mexico etc.
Although not as much as they used to. The sellers are still mostly drug dealers. (blackmarket)

Sounds like you're talking about other drugs. Even if MJ is still coming in from Mexico, it's not causing major issues and few people are going to prison because of it.


by chillrob P

Sounds like you're talking about other drugs. Even if MJ is still coming in from Mexico, it's not causing major issues and few people are going to prison because of it.


No, not other drugs.

The laws are changing. You dont know what happens behind the curtains though. Its still a lot more complicated than you think.


Slightly better polling for Biden in purple states although he still trails Trump in 6 out of 7 (he won 6 of them in 2020).

% of truly undecided still significant



It gives me a good chuckle when CNN suggests that biden shutting down oil drilling or other policies to decrease oil drilling in the US is somehow good for the climate. We are supposed to believe Americans are going to significantly reduce their energy usage or turn to renewables because of this as opposed to the US just buying more oil from other countries.

Not only does worldwide consumption of oil/gas not go down because of this - it may actually increase it because now we have to buy more from other countries who likely don't have as strict environmental safety regulations as the US does and they have to transport it to the US.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/19/climate/a...


USA is an exporter of oil. It would mean less exporting. And it does increase renewables because decrease of supply of oil raises prices which is good for alternatives.

CA produced more than 100% of its electrical needs through renewables for 30 of 38 days leading up to 4/15.

The argument is moot anyway. Renewables are taking over because of economics. Texas is one of the biggest drivers of renewables in the USA.


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