Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Define nice
Anyway, my only issue with the Browser approach was that I wasn't allowed to call someone an idiot for saying something idiotic. That should be the cornerstone of a robust discussion about politics, or anything else for that matter.
Anyway, my only issue with the Browser approach was that I wasn't allowed to call someone an idiot for saying something idiotic. That should be the cornerstone of a robust discussion about politics, or anything else for that matter.
It's so easy to just say "what you said was idiotic" instead of "you're an idiot". The effect is the same and you're just a wee bit nicer.
It's so easy to just say "what you said was idiotic" instead of "you're an idiot". The effect is the same and you're just a wee bit nicer.
It sometimes inelegant in context and being nicer is not one of my goals in that scenario. Also, it changes the meaning: if everything someone says is idiotic, then that's nicely encompassed by calling him or her an idiot.
It's so easy to just say "what you said was idiotic" instead of "you're an idiot". The effect is the same and you're just a wee bit nicer.
yeah, maybe its a sign of maturity but i agree. this is coming from someone who has called many posters an idiot and been called one myself.
as an aside, if i pride myself on anything its the ability to change my mind on an issue. if someone were to say, "what you're saying is wrong, here's why," instead of "you're an idiot," it makes this process easier.
with that said, i do sometimes long for the old days, the wild west of 2p2 if you will, when men were men, women were women, and many a grease fire was wished upon me. maybe we could have a purge-like week? where all bets are off and only the thick-skinned dare log into their accounts.
A good ol' fashioned 2p2 survivor is just what the doctor ordered. Everybody feels catharsis and it gets the bad blood out forever.
yeah, maybe its a sign of maturity but i agree. this is coming from someone who has called many posters an idiot and been called one myself.
as an aside, if i pride myself on anything its the ability to change my mind on an issue. if someone were to say, "what you're saying is wrong, here's why," instead of "you're an idiot," it makes this process easier.
with that said, i do sometimes long for the old days, the wild west of 2p2 if you will,
It's always seemed better and more satisfying to show someone why they're an idiot then to call them one, and I enjoy it when people resort to insults against me because it almost always means that they are out of logical arguments. Once they start insulting you it's generally a pretty clear sign that the discussion is over and that you've won.
It's always seemed better and more satisfying to show someone why they're an idiot then to call them one, and I enjoy it when people result to insults against me because it almost always means that they are out of logical arguments. Once they start insulting you it's generally a pretty clear sign that the discussion is over and that you've won.
Resort, not result, you ****donkey.
It's always seemed better and more satisfying to show someone why they're an idiot then to call them one, and I enjoy it when people resort to insults against me because it almost always means that they are out of logical arguments. Once they start insulting you it's generally a pretty clear sign that the discussion is over and that you've won.
But isn't this also the kind of thing an idiot would tell himself to explain why people keep calling him an idiot?
The list is endless. some things that pop into my head without relitigating the past, mostly because of relative recency
- Luciom excusing rape and literal no one caring.
-El razor saying the purpose of sex is procreation and nothing else
-The original response to the new owners taking over the forum was to ask them repeatedly and from multiple posters why they married “ hookers”
-the entire robbi debate
- people asking me for nudes of poster
The bolded is ridiculous but not sexist.
Criticism of an individual woman for being a gold digger is not sexist. Plenty of men in poker who live off their wives supporting them, they could be called the same thing.
The list is endless. some things that pop into my head without relitigating the past, mostly because of relative recency
- Luciom excusing rape and literal no one caring.
-El razor saying the purpose of sex is procreation and nothing else
-The original response to the new owners taking over the forum was to ask them repeatedly and from multiple posters why they married “ hookers”
-the entire robbi debate
- people asking me for nudes of poster
How would you compare this list to other venues of anon posting or areas of public places, like work, gym, restaurants, sporting events or really anywhere?
Your list goes back quite a long time and I honestly think that I could have made a longer and far more misogynistic list from listening to co workers for my last hour of work today.
Well, my brain doesn’t process this as a serious response, probably because my social skills are higher than the other posters in this forum.
But being generous and approaching it as a serious response, I could never imagine thinking a text or post that begins with the phrase “ the list is endless, some things that pop into my head without relitigating the past..” would mean the texter or poster meant to make an authoritative list rather than mention a few things that immediately come to mind. The dozens of instances of sexism that disturbed me most are not mentioned and the reason I did not mention them is that I don’t want to relitigate the past as made very clear in the post.
No one I know would ever respond to a text I made that started with the first sentence in my post/text in that ridiculous way so your response already seems disingenuous to me. As I stated, the list is endless. If I spent a few days looking for incredibly sexist posts the posts printed out on normal sized paper would span the globe.
As for the content of your question, no. I have been to many many bars and clubs and would leave if they approached the level of sexism that 2p2 does. I have never been to a bar or club that comes close.
The problem isn’t a few stray comments or even an overall sexist attitude on 2p2. The problem is that it the overall attitude is so overwhelming that it is unwelcoming even to those who have a tolerance for a certain degree of sexism. It’s insane.
OK well I'm not buying that this place is massively sexist and your list has only persuaded me that it isn't, if those are supposedly examples of egregious sexism (other than #1, but that is disputed by the poster in question, and I imagine he would have been banned for it if true). Sounds like you're seeing monsters under the bed.
