2024 Las Vegas Summer Series - non-WSOP

Wynn doesn’t offer dailies during their tourny series and Venetian I think never runs dailies. At Wynn and Venetian, you will just find one day tournies- for example Venetian has numerous $800 and 1100 1 day events.

I think your best bet for dailies are mgm grand, south point, etc. if you are looking for lower buy in quick events, some of these places offer daily events at night etc. structures are super quick though. The orleans tends to have solid $400 tournies also that only last a day and start in the morning.

I don’t think vegas is good during summer for dailies if that is your thing. Most stuff is higher buyin as people are there for quick vacations and wanna fire a tourny or two. Better bet is to go when Wynn isn’t having a series and Venetian is running a deep stack series- you can play daily in morning or night at Wynn / or play the Venetian daily tourny. Depends on what your buy in point is.

The Wynn schedule sucks if you ask me- some nice $1100 and $1600s. Wish they would run more $600s big gtn events but not worth it for them I assume when people will spend more. Venetian also has higher buy in stuff- great structures for one days but $800-1100 can be steep for the lower buyin players. Probably worth it though during summer wsop rush. I would rather play a daily at Venetian that you actually have a chance at winning in the $800-1100 range vs a wsop event that is going to get 3k+ runners at the lower buy in points where you have to win the lottery to even have a chance super late and run godly.

I hate the senior event Venetian is running mid June. Wish they wouldn’t have a strict senior event at that time- I’m going early-mid June for prolly 2 weeks and will prolly play $1600 and $1100 at Venetian. Might fire monster stack and some bigger buy in stuff over 1k. Might fire the shootout $1500 wsop event also bc shootouts seem awesome to me bc it’s like a sit n go.

I don't think so.

I even didn’t know they stopped it !! (:

Sahara use to run 2 daily tournaments. Noon & evening. Low buy-in ($60-$85).
They use to get 100/150 runners.

Don’t know they still run those .

Any Local player can let us know.

Wynn $1600s drew 1500-2000+ players last summer. They aren't hurting for players.

It's a premium brand offering a premium experience to well-heeled tourists and regs.

They aren't aiming for the $400 crowd looking to fill space between WSOP events.

The buy/in level isn’t what bugs me about the Wynn. Frankly, during the heart of the summer you aren’t going to find many events below $1000 at either the Wynn or Venetian. You will also find fewer mixed games than during other series. The demand for NLH is too high at this time. And they both have limited space, to one degree or another. If Wynn were able to get ballroom space like they do in December, it might be a different story. But it doesn’t look like that will happen during the summer.

I just wish Wynn would have at least one tournament where it wasn’t a rebuy-fest. They are starting to remind me of the old PHamous series at PH, except with higher buy-ins. Tons of starting flights. Probably sub-standard structures. Just cash grabs on their part. I’m sure they have reason to do it, but IMO, it doesn’t server their brand one bit as an alternative to the WSOP, and at this point I don’t think I have any interest in playing any of their events. Though I will certainly be playing a number of tourneys at the WSOP and Venetian in the same buy-in range next summer.

I recognized you weren’t questioning buy-in levels.

Thus I said “ I agree with you but for different reasons. “

I am not shy to accept that my poker budget is limited and would not play any buy-in over $400 outside of WSOP.

It’s not I can’t afford it but my poker budget is Fixed and I don’t want to go over it .

The reason they do it is for the people (like me) that go to play in the WSOP Senior and Super Senior events. The Venetian, Wynn, Aria, Golden Nugget, Orleans, etc. run Senior events before after and during the WSOP Senior events (but not on Day 1's). Some even have Super Senior events (60+) but that might just be the Golden Nugget...

I think this is likely the case for 75% of WSOP attendees.

They stopped last year and it was heartbreaking. Loved the SnGs and was really hopeful they’d bring them back.

I am looking at Event #22 at Venetian. Its Big O. Is that pot limit? Is it Hi-Lo?

That 75% crowd amounts to about 60000 players or more.

That’s why I think Casinos like WYNN is making mistake by only going after players who can throw around $1000-$2000 in any tournament.
But if they are only looking for those 30-50 players in that category. Good Luck to them.

Fair enough. And I didn’t mean to impugn your budget. I was just trying to make the point that the Wynn and Venetian simply don’t cater to lower buy-in levels anymore during the summer. And I certainly understand how that might make them unappealing to a large segment of the players coming for the WSOP.

But even in the market the Wynn is catering to, their strategy of just throwing as many day 1’s and as many rebuys as possible at a large guarantee leaves much to be desired.

At this point I can't tell if you're trolling or just actively ignoring reality. Where are you getting that 30-50 number? Wynn's major events got thousands of entries last summer. Their $2.2k mystery bounty had 3,000+ entries.

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Personally, I'm more of a $200-600 type of guy who occasionally dabbles in some $1ks on special occasions, but I think you have to recognize that not everyone's circumstances are the same. For some people, it's not a big deal to dust off $1k, $2k, $3k, even $10k. Between rich tourists, domestic pros, and foreign pros who come to town for the summer, Wynn will have no trouble finding thousands of people willing to pay $1k+ for non-WSOP events.

That being said, I'm with others in being underwhelmed by their offerings this year. I'm especially disappointed by the 30/40 structure of their multi-flight $1.1k. You should get a better structure at that price point, even in summer. It's looking like I won't be playing at Wynn during WSOP season, but my preferences aren't everyone's preferences. They will fill a lot of seats like usual.

Ditto. Last year was really suck for me, and I seriously considered not going back.

If this year isn't better, it will prob be my last year. The daily deepstack situation sucked the most. Half of them got canceled when I was there.

This is sort of where I’m at. Outside of the chance for some sort of global economic issue which affects every series, I’m sure the Wynn will be quite successful. But unless all one cares about is prizepool, their series isn’t particularly appealing. Lucky for them, historically there have been plenty of players with cash to burn.

With the daily deepstacks being held in a new space this year, I think they will be much less likely to be cancelled.

But I think the biggest issue the WSOP ran into last year was the big drop in dealers after the first few weeks. It’s a fine line they have to walk. They obviously need to get enough dealers in order to handle the demand. But they can’t get too many dealers to the point that the large number of them who need big hours to justify the time off and/or trip expense aren’t satisfied. Last year the WSOP lost dealers because there were too many of them at some point. This is sort of what happens when you have mega-field events at the start of the series, and then a lull. And then more mega-field events at the end. Well see if they handle the logistics better this year.

But the reality is there is still a finite number of people/players willing to drop that kind of money on a poker tournament. As the market gets more and more saturated with events and other series’ running, turnout will start dropping at a number of places.

The big question is where is that saturation point and how far away are we from it.

The economy plays a big role in it all, too. Inflation is interesting right now because, on the one hand, people are spending more on groceries, eating out, gas, etc. but on the other hand, it’s all relative. Meaning, a $1000 buy-in event doesn’t seem nearly as pricey to the average Joe as it did even 10 years ago because now they are spending that much or nearly that much on groceries alone for the month.

I’m guessing WSOP knows this and that’s why they’ve been adding more and more lower buy-in gimmick events. They know not all series will survive but they’ve basically secured their place by the events they offer and by painting themselves as the premier series.

Pure inflation adjusted #s says that 1k buyin is $800 3 years ago. But personally I am always more willing to spend that 1k at a WSOP event. We have about 8 +1k regional "main events" locally from various circuits (MSPT, Run Good, APO) so a Wynn is nothing more or less except field size. It simply does not have the gravitas of a WSOP cash. Also $ for $ historically the WSOP structures are simply superior. The S calculations will tell this year's story. I'm not "rich" but I have a pretty flexible poker budget. I absolutely target Sr and Super Sr events but I sure as hell won't dump $10k at the Wynn hi roller Senior. I'd much rather fire 2 bullets at the $5k WSOP SR and candidly unless I get hit by lightning in my first week at the WSOP I'm NOT doing that either. I will always be a $400 -$1k buyin guy at heart and can play my game without sweating the cost and having it impact my play.

@DogFace wasn’t trying to troll anything ! Was expressing my feelings about non WSOP tournaments of $1000 & more. Yes I may have quoted wrong attendance number by saying 30-50 ( yes it was sarcastic as was compering with WSOP attendance ) Sorry if I hurt yours or Wynn Pokerroom’s feelings.

@McCoy I agree with you 100% . I have same approach towards poker tournaments as yours . I might have smaller poker budget but I play within my comfort zone too.

Mystery bounty is May 30-June 2

Monster Stack is June 14-15.

I think they have separate room for dailies. Bigger event should not affect dailies, unless huge crowd bigger then their expectations.

I was looking forward to playing some events at the Wynn this year, given all the great feedback about how they run tourneys, but in looking at the schedule, not really works for me when I'm there the last 2 weeks of June. Planning to play the Seniors and Super Srs WSOP events, and would have liked to play at least one Wynn event in between, but nothings really looking that good :(

It's not like the wynn schedule is any different than past years. Multiflight 1100/1600s after wsop marquee events to capture players. They do have "limited" space compared to winter but it's only because theres so many players in the summer. They do a great job over there getting players in and out without going 10 handed.

And their one day 1500s crush too, get around 500 entries on some days.

Inflation plays a big factor too. $1000 isn't what it used to be. Rake is high etc. 800s/1100s are the new 400s/600s especially considering how high rake is on the low buyins.

Over the past years, wsop has been lowering buyins and other properties have been increasing their buyins.

It doesn't look good on that front, if the Circuit event is any indication. They were working the dealers hard. I heard the words "every day" coming out of the managers' mouth often. And some long faces from dealers that wanted to go home early.

What they need to do is guarantee minimum hours. If there's nothing to do, pay them anyway. It's a trivial amount compare to the millions the WSOP brings in.

I’m in the same club dogface. I tend to take my shots though during wsop so I don’t mind a $1100 and maybe the occasional $1600 if the structure is really solid. I’m more of a $600-800 fan but I like the best structures if I’m going to play them and don’t want to play the dailies at the WSOP with really quick structures.

I think Venetian will get most of my business as I love the structure there. Wynn $1600s have great structures also but a little out of my buy in bc you can easily pitch $4800 in 3 tournies and not even get a run going. I’m interested to see the lower buyin venues like orleans, maybe mgm, gold nugget etc. nugget has some sick gtns for small buy in stuff but the structure is tough for me bc it’s so quick- it’s easy to fire multiple bullets and not go deep if run bad occurs.

The Venetian $1100- (I think 500k) looks really good if you ask me. Only thing I wish they were running 3 day 1 flights instead of 2 only.