[Bodog/Bovada/Ignition] Unofficial Thread

I genuinely don't understand why some people say "maybe" or "there could be bots/colluders". Do you guys believe Jungleman, Berkey, Matt Marinelli, Mobiuspoker, LuckyChewy etc would just make all of this up? Mobius has analyzed more hands of poker than everyone else in the entire world when it comes to statistics, and his main focus have been these games where his students have according to himself and his brother made more than $15m if I remember correctly.

Dude wasn't saying maybe about the bots, he was saying it about inspectorgadget's dismissal of the RNG-is-rigged clowns.

Well, I am a complete idiot lol. When I updated my address, I used the auto-fill feature in Google Chrome. I failed to realize that I not only updated my address, but my email as well.

This morning, I noticed that I got an email from Ignition in my non-poker email. I tried logging in using this email, and boom! I am in! So I was never locked out in the first place lol.

Good luck being less of a dumbass than me this weekend 😀

Just to play devils advocate... some of the best chess players in the world are completely deranged in their allegations of cheating online. We poker players could be becoming deranged ourselves. The mere existence of tools like GTO-Wizard and various bot software available all over the internet + the recent AI revolution has made us all hyperaware and our thresholds are mega hair thin for what will make us think there is cheating going on. But the thing is, money is involved! So we can't be too ****ing careful.

It's all about game selection now if you want to survive as a professional poker player. You need to be on EVERY site possible at all times looking for games and be extremely ****ing cautious.

Or just go play live.

Does ignition offer any sort of
Rake back ?

How bot infested is our wonderful lovely and best site in the world?

Unless you got a 3rd party sign up RB no.

if you freshly deposit $100 a week you get some sort of points that are reflective of a bonus/RB. You get points from raking that can be traded for stuff but not direct cash in your account. P.S. this may be out of date!

Incredibly infested, there is guys like Matthew Marinelli who have documented that he won over a million with 9bb/100 has stopped playing there completely and go on podcast talking about it. I think it's hard to argue against him being #1 player in the us when it comes to 6max NL online. So for anyone that doesn't get it by now, the site is dead and only occupied by bots, regs that are losing but haven't realised it yet and a couple of recreationals.

What wr do we think is possible at the 200z?

Had a ~75k hand sample where I only won at roughly 1.8bb/100, switched computers, and won a 9.7bb/100 over a ~43k hand sample, both within the past two years. Since this seems to be a game with much fewer concerns about collusion/bottery, compared to the higher stakes games (with exception of the near-permanent minraise SB BvB likely bot), I'm wondering if it's a more lucrative game than, say, 6-tabling 200-1k on Global. I like the tables, use of Jurojin, etc. on Iggy more than Global, but I also kinda miss playing games for which I'm not way over-rolled (as I've been scared away from all the normal tables and 500z except for when it gets a minimum of 15 accounts playing).

Also wondering about the MTTs. They certainly seemed soft, and I beat them comfortably, but it's been months since I've played them, and they could currently be rife with collusion-y stuff, as far as I know. How're they doing?

I don't want to play stupid live poker for more than just an occasional change of pace. Holla back.

I’ve sent you pm

Meh. They used to not only respond but also refund. Now they've straight up ignored my every email, I haven't had a refund in well over 2 years and the colluding has been more obvious than ever. I should leave but despite all of this I am still winning.

I can assure you I went through long enough stretches of getting absolutely no action whatsoever with my big hands that I did not find it to be specifically going out of its way to give other people big hands haha

For what it's worth over my time on ignition my standard deviation is like 100 at 6max which I believe is right in line with what it's supposed to be (maybe a bit lower because I'm a nit or whatever) but if it were constantly coolering me and other people with setup hands it would be way higher

For those who wish to continue to engage with jungmit, you will find many of his latest posts moved to the "Rigged" debate thread in DPS.

I think that's around the upper end of normal, I think if a site were genuinely just having people cooler each other for stacks way more than normal it would be a lot higher

How does std deviation work in poker?

I just added it to my HM3 and it has me at 66 for the year over 200K hands for all in EV BB adj/100 vs population but I can't wrap my head around what that would describe

That truth crushed my soul. :(

I used to convince myself Iggy was the "safest" site from bots due to the table caps, but when you factor in that one bot operator could have 100 accounts that thought changes.

Bovada Sports Betting is currently down.

Why is this site down so often?

I don't write this to argue with you, as I haven't played much in the past couple of years at the 1k and 2k reg tables, but as recently as yesterday I've played with many insane fishies at 200z!

Hand a hand yesterday; I open LJ, HJ 3b, CO coldcalls, SB calls, I 4b squeeze with AJs, and only the SB calls. Flop AQ4r and they snap c/shove with the A6o, eventually binking a chop.

They can be found at 500z too, but in less plentiful supply.

Definitely assume there are some bots, but they don't use particularly sharp sizings, as far as I can tell. Of course, action is not always as soft as it is on a March Madness weekend...

I'm guessing that crushing 200z at 450 hands/hr while playing a couple MTTs on the side (I've only known them to be soft, up to the 1055s) can get you kinda close to the hourly of 4-tabling normal 1k tables at 300 hands/hr or whatever it is at a way lower winrate with no MTTs on the side. Could be wrong, I'm no math guy.

One thing I still don't completely understand is the impact this has on all in-ev. I have now had 10 straight months of running bad in all-in ADJ$$. Shouldn't the odds of that happening in any given month (or any other arbitrary time frame) be 50/50. So the chances of that would be .50^10 right? Can the colluders really have THAT much of an impact on the all in EV?

I feel like more and more bots have gotten onto this site recently. Didn’t think that maybe 18-24 months ago as things didn’t seem so weird back then

I mean sure, both people could be 0bb/100 at 200z and 1k and therefore equal hourly. Or someone could be losing at 1k but beating 200nl and it be better hourly at 200.

You can make a bunch of hypothetical intangibles where 200z + mtts is a better hourly... But zero chance 200z is a better hourly than 1k reg tables for a good reg who is beating 1k. Rake structure in zoom games means that winrates are pretty much capped out at something like 7bb/100 maybe 8 (there have been plenty of posts about this in other threads on this forum). Plenty of regs (at least pre Dec 2023) have been beating 1knl for 6+bb/100 for large samples.

I was looking for an online poker room that doesn't require me to show my id and I came across ignition.
I signed up and did the phone number verification, but before depositing on the site I wanted to be sure that I will be able to withdraw without showing my id, because from what I saw online they could ask for the identification but if they do you would find it in your inbox on the site.
If you have any experience with the site I would like to hear from you.