The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
Bad beats are part of the game. I understand that. But after absorbing more than my fair share on Poker Stars I switched to Full Tilt six months ago. The first few months were much better over on Full Tilt.
Now Full Tilt is worse than Poker Stars ever was. The past month has been brutal. Tonight I've had pocket aces six times. All six times I lost to someone with a lower pocket pair.
I can't tell you how many times (at least 100 times the past thee weeks) where someone needs one card, especially two or three hours into a tournament, and they hit when odds are 90 to 95% in my favor.
You tell yourself that's poker until it happens time after time after time.
I enjoy playing poker online but I'm about ready to give it up. There doesn't seem to be a site to where it plays out like a casino. You see bad beats in a casino but NOTHING like Full Tilt and Poker Stars back when I played over on that site.
Curious as to others observations. Is there a site that's on the up and up or is it time to retire from online poker where you start to get the feeling the deck literally is stacked against you?
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Edit/MH: See:
I hereby confirm what Bobo said for the record:
It is possible to rig random number generators. Everyone please refrain from making false statements about what I said and didn't say. I made that exact statement several times itt. Here, i acknowledged it.
It was acknowledged at least a combined 500 times from about every non-riggie posting itt, yet riggies keep repeating that point over and over, because they don't really care about correctnes
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Edit/MH: An interesting article from 1999: https://www.developer.com/tech/article.p...
But look I don't really want to get into the semantics of it all, I don't want to get down to name calling, I don't want to get down to you judging me, we're trying to get to the bottom of why everybody's win rate is going down on ignition poker. So let's focus on that let's not just focus on bots but let's focus on maybe there's something else going on also. Let's keep in mind what we're trying to accomplish here. We're trying to figure out what is going on so let's keep an open mind to all things possible and maybe we can come up with a solution and deal with this.
I mean let's look at this logically. You have a site that won't fix a bot problem, you have a site that has no license to run the site, and you have a site that has no certificate for their random number generator. This is someone you have a deep trust for that they wouldn't deal the cards in an unfair manner? Why would you have trust in this site with those three things I just listed above?
I mean let's look at this logically. You have a site that won't fix a bot problem, you have a site that has no license to run the site, and you have a site that has no certificate for their random number generator. This is someone you have a deep trust for that they wouldn't deal the cards in an unfair manner? Why would you have trust in this site with those three things I just listed above?
Bc I have played on this site for about 14 years and I am better at poker than you. Sorry that you blame your lack of skill on anything but yourself but ...
Bc I have played on this site for about 14 years and I am better at poker than you. Sorry that you blame your lack of skill on anything but yourself but ...
What am I blaming on anything? We've already clarified that I have a 10 big blind per 100 win rate. This has nothing to do with winning or losing.
so the site is rigged in your favor? why are you complaining?
I think that's around the upper end of normal, I think if a site were genuinely just having people cooler each other for stacks way more than normal it would be a lot higher
That is possible, but have u compared it to other sites? Even iff it's off by say 5% that will make a big difference over time.
It's easier for those who would like to read hundreds of your similar posts if they're all in one thread. They can see the last 250 posts by you in that thread simply by searching for posts by you in it.
This thread is not the place for your repetetive claims and questions, so please move back to the "Rigged" thread with them.
Thanks.
It's easier for those who would like to read hundreds of your similar posts if they're all in one thread. They can see the last 250 posts by you in that thread simply by searching for posts by you in it.
This thread is not the place for your repetetive claims and questions, so please move back to the "Rigged" thread with them.
Thanks.
I said numerous times I don't believe it's rigged.
What’s the other option if it’s not actually random?
Well that is what we're trying to figure out. You have to understand that in order for a random number generator to pass the random test all it has to do is be fair. That means as long as it's fair to everybody it's going to pass the RNG test. That doesn't necessarily mean it's dealing the same way every other site is. It just means it's fair to all the players. So you might find out that your standard deviation here is more, you might find out you hit more flush drawers more straight draws more top pairs stuff like this but as long as everybody else is also hitting those then it would be deemed as Fair
Well that is what we're trying to figure out. You have to understand that in order for a random number generator to pass the random test all it has to do is be fair. That means as long as it's fair to everybody it's going to pass the RNG test. That doesn't necessarily mean it's dealing the same way every other site is. It just means it's fair to all the players. So you might find out that your standard deviation here is more, you might find
none of this is happening
That truth crushed my soul. :(
I used to convince myself Iggy was the "safest" site from bots due to the table caps, but when you factor in that one bot operator could have 100 accounts that thought changes.
Believe it or not when they first went to anonymous tables I had many conversations with them proving to them that collusion and bought use was going to be the easiest on ignition poker due to anonymous tables. Of course they didn't listen and I wouldn't expect them to. But I prove to them that it was going to be tons of collusion and other types of cheating due to nobody having screen names. This is why I'm saying can we really trust any site that's in it to make money? Are they really going to do what's best for the players?
Because contrary to what most people think nobody makes enough money. They figured they would make more money by going to anonymous tables and they weren't going to listen to anything. This is the point of the whole discussion nobody makes enough money people are always willing, and I'm not saying everybody but a lot of people are always willing to do something in a gray area that would make them more money. There is a great saying in the movie Wall Street, the guy says remember one thing money makes you do things you don't want to do. imagine in theory that you ran a poker site and it had nothing but bots on it. I mean I would be the greatest scenario for any poker site in the world all bots bashing heads nobody winning all bots losing to the rake and they played 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That would actually be better than having humans there. So it's hard sometimes to believe that they don't want the bots because the bots are generating massive amounts of rake for the sites.
Like think about this for a second, the people that are developing artificial intelligence say there's a 10% to 50% chance that it will end civilization. Yet they're still developing it, why? For money. So we don't know what people are capable of doing just for money but we do know it's a lot. I mean imagine developing something that could possibly end your life and you still develop it for the money. Cuz if you don't develop it obviously somebody else will but as an entire human race nobody should be developing this stuff if it's going to end the human race. This is why I'm saying never underestimate what somebody will do for money
I play mostly pot limit Omaha on the site and the one thing I've noticed and got stacked to back it up because I use a tracker is like every time you got King King would say a spade flush drawer they also have aces with say a spade frustria I mean it's virtually impossible to happen as often as it happens
Sounds like you just need to exploit the site and fold anytime you have the 2nd nut flush.
I live in the EU, and I believe that most of the legal or semi-legal poker is intended for the regular European players at the moment.
Let's be straightforward: the EU is facing its most significant challenges in the last 50 years, much like most of the world, except for certain regions that have consistently faced difficulties without much change (Africa, certain Asian regions etc). In the EU (and the US, perhaps?), there are challenges in drafting laws that uphold democracy or address the monopolies of AI or social media companies. Just before these issues, there was the COVID-19 pandemic and a substantial increase in online activities and overall cash flow. The problems we face now weren't present or weren't as severe ten years ago.
Does anyone believe that the gambling commissions on islands like Xyz have sufficient incentives to effectively regulate gamesand have suffiecent laws to do so? Can we be certain they don't have laws in place to allow owners to manipulate games in their favor, perhaps by running their own bots with a +5% equity advantage across the platform? Can anyone show me the specific laws preventing online poker rooms from engaging in such practices? Or how they could prevent bots from taking over? how do politicans have time to make such laws????
For example I played in a network where one of the rooms only could accept players from EU with the tightest regulations, sanctioning deposits and cashouts. And then on the same network, there were 5+ rooms with the exact same player base running semi legally, accepting cryptos and ****.
What do the average 60-year-old politicians understand about online gambling, or how collusion operates in online poker, for example? Sure, certain aspects are legally regulated, but for anyone who has read the laws in EU countries, it's evident that the situation isn't fully under control, with issues like stability, cheating, and money laundering involved. And right now, it's not unreasonable to expect even less scrutiny on gambling companies.
If there ever was a time to engage in or escalate shenanigans, it's now. With war and economic difficulties abound, recent scandals have demonstrated that companies can get away with almost anything. So why should we believe that law enforcement or other authorities are eager to pursue individuals selling information from within game integrity teams when they struggle to catch spies across the EU selling military secrets? Who catch the guys selling industry secrets to hackers and/or countries like NC.
i think if anything it makes even more sense to boost shenanigans and cheating going on as all the law makers are busy with way more important things.
I live in the EU, and I believe that most of the legal or semi-legal poker is intended for the regular European players at the moment.
Let's be straightforward: the EU is facing its most significant challenges in the last 50 years, much like most of the world, except for certain regions that have consistently faced difficulties without much change (Africa, certain Asian regions etc). In the EU (and the US, perhaps?), there are challenges in
Gov't regulators do nothing to protect you, even in the West. Mike Postle was caught blatantly cheating over a massive sample size in a regulated California casino, both the regulator and the court sided with the cheater. The only person who can protect yourself is yourself ... if you don't think its legit, then don't play
i think if anything it makes even more sense to boost shenanigans and cheating going on as all the law makers are busy with way more important things.
Online poker regulation has always been, and will always be, low on every government's priority list. Kind of hard to justify paying more attention to it than health care, education, violent crime, housing, and so many other issues that people elect governments to deal with. No one is voting for one person over another because they promised to clean up online gambling. Revenue is about the only thing that will make it percolate near the top, and one might argue that makes it more appealing for government to pay attention to during difficult economic times.
IMO, cheating is becoming more sophisticated/prevalent for the same reason it has been for the last 20 years - as processing power increases, bots and other software cheating methods get better. And the closer games get to being solved, the more unbeatable such software becomes.
But really, does it matter what the reason is? If you're not beating the games and/or don't trust them, don't play, unless they're providing you with entertainment that you can afford to pay the current price for.
Did Monteroy, aka, Good Riggie Hunting, finally fulfill his prophecy? I heard BoBo Affleck stopped by his apartment one fateful morning to pick him up and drive to the internet cafe, and as he peered threw his window only to see an empty space. The smile was ear to ear, Bobo knew he could do it, finally fulfilling all that potential. Monty went to see about a girl. Good for you Monty, good for you
In all seriousness. Where is Monteroy?
