ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
because trump has shown less propensity to use violence than normal democratic leaders nevermind actual fascists, simple as that.
if trump was even 1% fascist he would have used unlimited violence against BLM rioters like many people on the right asked for, he had the opening and he didn't even do the minimum fully allowed by democratic norms.
there were thousands of criminal, thugs, all directly linked to the Democratic party, wreaking havoc
No need for trump to be violent to expand his fascism views , he just pardon those who uses violence !
Didn’t he wanted to pardon all of those in January 6th ?
Of course. Calling them hostages
Partition the country, or bring it on. The left are prepared, smarter and of greater number
Happy to sell you some MAGA rifles - never fired and only dropped once
Which part of "lockdowns with militaries in the streets were our generation holocaust in Europe" wasn't clear? And btw you could leave Italy during fascism and Germany during nazism as well, many did
Did you not tell the European Jews that they were allowed to leave? Why would the Italians not share this information?
What was all that barbed wire and guards with guns for at the camps? To keep people out?
because trump has shown less propensity to use violence than normal democratic leaders nevermind actual fascists, simple as that.
if trump was even 1% fascist he would have used unlimited violence against BLM rioters like many people on the right asked for, he had the opening and he didn't even do the minimum fully allowed by democratic norms.
there were thousands of criminal, thugs, all directly linked to the Democratic party, wreaking havoc
You have been confronted on this over and over and I've never seen you giving any examples of people directly linked to the democratic party doing anything violent.
In Portland, where there was a lot of BLM activity, the politician criticized the most in the protests was the democratic mayor.
You have been confronted on this over and over and I've never seen you giving any examples of people directly linked to the democratic party doing anything violent.
In Portland, where there was a lot of BLM activity, the politician criticized the most in the protests was the democratic mayor.
The vice president organized fund raising to pay bail for the violent rioters of BLM
Who were those violent rioters, and how exactly was each connected to the Democratic party? I'll wait while you research it.
Who were those violent rioters, and how exactly was each connected to the Democratic party? I'll wait while you research it.
If they need bail after rioting they necessarily did heinous violent things.
You don't get indicted when protesting unless you became violent.
And if the democratic party Vice President vouches for you, you are directly linked to the democratic party definitionally.
If they need bail after rioting they necessarily did heinous violent things.
You don't get indicted when protesting unless you became violent.
And if the democratic party Vice President vouches for you, you are directly linked to the democratic party definitionally.
Everyone the VP "vouches" for is a democrat? Is that what I hear you saying? You going to commit to that one?
How did she "vouch" for anyone?
Do you think she was the VP when she made that tweet?
If they need bail after rioting they necessarily did heinous violent things.
You don't get indicted when protesting unless you became violent.
And if the democratic party Vice President vouches for you, you are directly linked to the democratic party definitionally.
You know this doesn't prove any links to anything. And no one "vouched" for anything.
Do you realize that president Trump actually pardoned members of his own administration and campaign staff for their illegal activities preformed to get him elected?
And has promised to pardon those who assaulted federal police officers, stalked VP Pence while calling for his murder, and attempted to violently disrupt the actions of Congress required by the constitution?
Everyone the VP vouches for is LINKED to the democratic party, definitionally.
That's what I wrote.
And if you are a fascist president, you jump to the opportunity, your opposition is siding with violent rioters, and you start ordering to shoot to kill each and every one of those criminals and move from there.
Trump didn't, he played golf.
Unless ofc the rest of the party disavows the VP explicitly then it's more complicated, but that didn't happen when the VP sided with violent BLM rioters, afaik.
Trump sided with Jan 6 rioters.
So you can call them directly linked to GOP as well sure.
Everyone the VP vouches for is LINKED to the democratic party, definitionally.
That's what I wrote.
And if you are a fascist president, you jump to the opportunity, your opposition is siding with violent rioters, and you start ordering to shoot to kill each and every one of those criminals and move from there.
Trump didn't, he played golf.
Unless ofc the rest of the party disavows the VP explicitly then it's more complicated, but that didn't ha
Can you show us a tweet from Mike Pence "vouching" for these rioters then? Or Harris vouching for them in 2021 or later? Otherwise, you have not met your own condition.
btw i still have both fire and fury and fear on audiobook hosted online available for anyone to download and listen to, lmk and I'll dm the links, only 1 user took me up on them
absolutely riveting books imo
If Trump weren't rich he'd probably be spending his twilight years in a padded room decorating the walls with his own feces. The guy is basically an oversized baby.
He never had to grow up and his beloved Ivanka got him a TV gig that turned his petulant child persona into an asset.
And he’d be a lot richer if he just took his inheritance and stuck it all into s&p 500
because trump has shown less propensity to use violence than normal democratic leaders nevermind actual fascists, simple as that.
if trump was even 1% fascist he would have used unlimited violence against BLM rioters like many people on the right asked for, he had the opening and he didn't even do the minimum fully allowed by democratic norms.
there were thousands of criminal, thugs, all directly linked to the Democratic party, wreaking havoc
Well taking your logic has the need of violence for existing fascism under trump , surely you see the preposterous claim of lockdown for covid with the lack of millions of dead to be in holocaust ballpark right ?
No need for trump to be violent to expand his fascism views , he just pardon those who uses violence !
Didn’t he wanted to pardon all of those in January 6th ?
There is no excuse why a majority of 1/6 are in jail or were arrested and less than 1% of the BLM rioters are in jail or arrested. The BLM riots were more violent, more widely supported by a political party, led to more damage, were a greater threat to democracy (although neither posed a significant threat to democracy) and more people died.
I think at this point the best thing to do is release 99% of the least violent 1/6ers and arrest 1% of the most violent BLM rioters and say future political violence will be met with serious jail time.
Can you show me the figures on this? I don't understand what "a majority of 1/6" means.
Can you show us the source of this statistic?
were a greater threat to democracy (although neither posed a significant threat to democracy)
Do you understand one of them was literally at the Capitol building and had the stated goal of stopping the certification of the election process? The people there were trying to take congress people hostage or worse. Can you tell us what the stated goal of the other one was and how it was a bigger threat to democracy than that?
I think at this point the best thing to do is release 99% of the least violent 1/6ers and arrest 1% of the most violent BLM rioters and say future political violence will be met with serious jail time.
Of course you do.
There is no excuse why a majority of 1/6 are in jail or were arrested and less than 1% of the BLM rioters are in jail or arrested. The BLM riots were more violent, more widely supported by a political party, led to more damage, were a greater threat to democracy (although neither posed a significant threat to democracy) and more people died.
I think at this point the best thing to do is release 99% of the least violent 1/6ers and arrest 1%
the problems with this post are too numerous for me to bother with, but this statement is total bullshit.
The BLM riots were more violent, more widely supported by a political party
Every democrat I saw denounced the violence and rioting. Just stop lying.
There is no excuse why a majority of 1/6 are in jail or were arrested and less than 1% of the BLM rioters are in jail or arrested. The BLM riots were more violent, more widely supported by a political party, led to more damage, were a greater threat to democracy (although neither posed a significant threat to democracy) and more people died.
I think at this point the best thing to do is release 99% of the least violent 1/6ers and arrest 1%
It's so funny that BJ argued that on Jan 6th only ten thousand of the 100,000 rally attendants stormed the Capital.
Arrests made: More than 1,265 defendants have been charged in nearly all 50 states and the District of Columbia. (This includes those charged in both District and Superior Court).
Criminal charges:
Approximately 452 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 123 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted on Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
Approximately 1,186 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 116 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
Approximately 71 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 56 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
More than 332 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
Approximately 57 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
Pleas:
Approximately 718 individuals have pleaded guilty to a variety of federal charges, many of whom faced or will face incarceration at sentencing.
Approximately 213 have pleaded guilty to felonies. Another 505 have pleaded guilty to misdemeanors.
A total of 89 of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded to federal charges of assaulting law enforcement officers. Approximately 41 additional defendants have pleaded guilty to feloniously obstructing, impeding, or interfering with a law enforcement officer during a civil disorder. Of these 130 defendants, 116 have now been sentenced to prison terms of up to 151 months.
Four of those who have pleaded guilty to felonies have pleaded guilty to the federal charge of seditious conspiracy.
Trials:
139 individuals have been found guilty at contested trials, including 3 who were found guilty in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. Another 32 individuals have been convicted following an agreed-upon set of facts. 76 of these 171 defendants were found guilty of assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers and/or obstructing officers during a civil disorder, which are felony offenses, including one who has been sentenced to more than 14 years in prison.
Sentencings:
Approximately 749 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 467 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 154 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 28 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.
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In summary, you are lying about the percentages arrested, percentages convicted when trying to claim the Jan 6th violence was handled any differently. Of the 100,000+ people in attendance, only about 1.5% were arrested and charged with crimes in Jan 6th
There is no excuse why a majority of 1/6 are in jail or were arrested and less than 1% of the BLM rioters are in jail or arrested. The BLM riots were more violent, more widely supported by a political party, led to more damage, were a greater threat to democracy (although neither posed a significant threat to democracy) and more people died.
I think at this point the best thing to do is release 99% of the least violent 1/6ers and arrest 1%
Comparing one day event in 1 manifestation (January 6) with thousands of events (blm) with many millions of people for equating damages purpose is hilarious !
but yeah seeing how the lack of accountability is a thing in maga/trump movement blm was kinda justified while the January 6 wasn’t !
How many time I hear from u democracy is ok in US right baham ?
And no election was stolen right ?
Ps: btw blm protestors did got arrested too so I don’t know what u complain about shrug .
Well as expected ( well for non maga imo) , the lifeline new media Donald trump stock took a hit today !
25% !
Let’s see how many crazies maga will loses their shirts in that one too .
Hopefully they will get free bibles from their efforts huh in 6 months ( trump ability to sell his stocks) .
