Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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The other side of every story
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/a...
Israel shares photo of aid build-up in Gaza, says UN is not distributing it
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/a...
Hamas document reveals it hides casualties, blames failed rocket launches on Israel - IDF
According to Hamas data and documentation, about 11% of the rocket launchs carried out by the terrorist organizations towards Israel since October 7 fell within Gaza, resulting in the deaths of Gaza civilians.
Lastly, Hamas reports were exposed featuring names of Gazan casualties as a result of failed launches, which were then recycled by Hamas in their outward reports of casualties, alleging they stemmed from Israeli airstrikes.
That last bolded part....are we even a little surprised?
Goebbelsesque
100s of people executed including buried alive and run over with heavy machinery, an entire medical campus destroyed, rape, and torture.
this will go down as one of the worst crimes against humanity of our lives.
and rafiki and BOIDs in here like, hey check out this totally legit document that we found that says Hamas is bad and Israel is good.
Everyone who disagrees with vic is a genocide supporter and loves babies being killed.
*returns six moths later*: Everyone who disagrees with vic...
stop uncapitalising my S you terrorist supporter
Surely you must be somewhat aware of what it means to call a Jew whose family survived the Holocaust that name (that's to say most of the family did not).
Like you can't be unaware, right?
That's a photo of parking lots of aid sitting in the sun (inside Gaza). And that's the documentation they found in Hamas hands explaining their own accidental kills. If we can't show these kinds of things in here, what are we even doing?
I cant find a better example of the Big Lie while doing genocide. if you dont like it, consider how you are approaching this.
Victor if this place isn't a place where we can share credible news on an issue, then who actually IS the Nazi?
Repressing the free exchange of ideas and verified news stories strikes me as the thing the Nazis would most want to do.
Im not saying you cant share it. but I am gonna call it what it is when I see it.
Victor if there is a fundamental issue with distributing aid inside Gaza, we can discuss it without being Nazi propagandists.
We know the trucks are getting in. We know it's significantly more aid than before Oct 7th. So there has to be a better way to get it into the hands of everyone there. We can surely discuss this without name calling.
The other side of every story
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/a...
Israel shares photo of aid build-up in Gaza, says UN is not distributing it
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/a...
Hamas document reveals it hides casualties, blames failed rocket launches on Israel - IDF
I am surprised only 11% of rockets fail and land in Gaza. I thought it was closer to 20%. And obviously a failed rocket generally isn't going to do the damage a successful one does, but it is also obvious that there is a lot of friendly fire casualties that Hamas is not honestly reporting. There probably is some causality link between Hamas losing the ability to fire rockets and Palestinian casualties falling dramatically.
No one else really has any ability to count Palestinian casualties, so pretty much by default Hamas is going to provide the most accurate data. But that doesn't mean they are actually telling the truth, or even coming particularly close. People tend to conflate that just because it is the best data, means that it is actually true data.
Victor if there is a fundamental issue with distributing aid inside Gaza, we can discuss it without being Nazi propagandists.
We know the trucks are getting in. We know it's significantly more aid than before Oct 7th. So there has to be a better way to get it into the hands of everyone there. We can surely discuss this without name calling.
not really when you say stuff like bolded
100s of people executed including buried alive and run over with heavy machinery, an entire medical campus destroyed, rape, and torture.
this will go down as one of the worst crimes against humanity of our lives.
and rafiki and BOIDs in here like, hey check out this totally legit document that we found that says Hamas is bad and Israel is good.
Regardless of the document, hamas IS bad and Israel IS good
And if you actually gave a **** about the Palestinian people you would agree they deserve better
Victor if there is a fundamental issue with distributing aid inside Gaza, we can discuss it without being Nazi propagandists.
We know the trucks are getting in. We know it's significantly more aid than before Oct 7th. So there has to be a better way to get it into the hands of everyone there. We can surely discuss this without name calling.
nobody knows that. We know there is significantly more DEATH than before Oct 7. We can surely discuss this without obfuscating israeli terrorism
Regardless of the document, hamas IS bad and Israel IS good
And if you actually gave a **** about the Palestinian people you would agree they deserve better
what would israel have to do to be bad?
From 2014 to 2020, we know UN agencies put 4.5 Billion into Gaza. We figure 40 Billion since '94.
We have to find better uses for the next 40 Billion. Truly.
Money does flow into Gaza. We have to do better on how they spend it. The next 40 Billion could really make a big difference if it's not used for war.
They would have to be actuality trying to commit genocide which they aren't
They would have to be not searching for hamas which they are
Or they would have to have to agree to a ceasefire without getting all the hostages back. That would be disgusting
Victor the truck counts per day entering Gaza right now blow Oct 6th out of the water. It's not even close.
Why do you think otherwise?
reputable sources and observers. and you know, people are starving to death. hunger games style airdrops are happening, and a barge as a publicity stunt from a grifting celebrity chef who supports genocide himself.
reputable sources and observers. and you know, people are starving to death. hunger games style airdrops are happening, and a barge as a publicity stunt from a grifting celebrity chef who supports genocide himself.
Victor the markets in Gaza are full of food.
Chicken prices are down 70%
Sugar prices are down 75% or more
1.5kg of rice is like $3.50 now, that's less than I pay by a lot
As of a week ago we were at 150,000 tons of aid into Gaza. If you divide that by the amount of humans in Gaza, it's almost 70 kilos of aid per head.
I'm not saying that during peak fighting there wasn't shortages. Obviously there were, we know that. But now, at this rate of aid flow, we're starting to see more aid than there are people to even give it out. If we continue on this path with aid, it's going to help tremendously. Which probably pisses Hamas off to no end btw.
And btw let's put so much aid in there that chicken is $1. If anyone deserves that right now, it's them. I have ZERO issues. But distribution internally does need help.
Distribution is a problem bc Israel keeps murdering the people distributing it.
anyway, you are completely brainwashed if you think there is enough aid getting in.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/...
and ofc the settlers are coordinating with the Army to block aid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqRzfb2o...
you do know that doctors are able to get into Gaza right? every one that comes back reports on the 100s of trucks sitting outside Rafah that are not allowed to enter.
They would have to be actuality trying to commit genocide which they aren't
They would have to be not searching for hamas which they are
Or they would have to have to agree to a ceasefire without getting all the hostages back. That would be disgusting
Would be good if they weren't chopping up the west banks with settlements and giving those crazies military protection and isolating Palestinian communities with check points. Also funding the bad guys in Gaza to try and ensure the Palestinians stay divided, hindering any two state solution.
The war tactics are pretty sickening but I don't know if there is any army in the world that could fight that place street to street.
Distribution is a problem bc Israel keeps murdering the people distributing it.
anyway, you are completely brainwashed if you think there is enough aid getting in.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-eas...
https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/...
and ofc the settlers are coordinating with the Army to block aid
I specifically said I hope more aid gets in. But there needs to be safer more effective ways to distribute, particularly up North.
I hope so much food gets in that markets can barely sell it because they have so much supply. I'd be crazy to not wish for such an outcome. That's the best case!
But yesterday we were shown parking lots of aid just sitting in Gaza. That's a problem.
