Israel/Palestine thread
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there is a standing offer to release them. Hamas's demands are clear.
-full cease fire
-withdrawal from Gaza
-allow freedom of movement back to homes
-allow aid
-full swap of all detainees
Israel wants to continue running a concentration camp so they would rather the hostages die than give human rights to the Palestinians.
Hamas immediate requests are "allow us to rebuild all the tools to enact another genocidal attempt like 10 7".
Not only we shoulnd't give them any space to rebuild anything, we literally shouldn't talk with hamas at all, you never negotiate with terrorists.
You haven't answered
Has your daughter gone to any protest demanding the release of hostages?
Do you think Israel should leave gaza without the hostages being returned?
I'm sure she hasn't. But, what's the idea with protesting against Hamas anyway? It's already a huge stretch to imagine the USA cares when Americans protest its sending weapons to Israel, but to imagine Hamas cares about protesters in the US? That's wild.
The second question is a dumb and bad question. I think Israel should have done things very differently. That doesn't mean anything close to ignoring the hostages, but it also doesn't mean anything close to what has happened - which has actually been horrible for the hostages.
Mets,
Does it matter to you whether Israel's response has actually been good for the hostages or do you just want revenge?
It has to do with the Republican party because the guy at the top of the Republican party is a huge inspiration to these brown shirt torch carriers who think Jews are out to replace them.
I'm not a big hate speech guy because I love freedom and freedom of speech is incredibly important and I don't talk out of both sides of my mouth on that either. Should I look up your history of posts about "hate speech" to see if you only like freedom of
Freedom of speech in general is good but college campuses need protect children
Both right wing nazis and left wing anti[strike]semites[/strike]zionists have the right to protest their hate for Jews/Israel. I have not asked for censorship on X or Facebook even though i think it helps radicaize people. But I've heard students speak about reporting swatzikas and voicemail threats and the schools calling that Freedom of speech. The schools cannot allow that
Regardless I'll move on. You and your daughter can support a ceasefire and let the hostages die. Im sorry for trying to change your mind and keep on denying 10/7
I'm sure she hasn't. But, what's the idea with protesting against Hamas anyway? It's already a huge stretch to imagine the USA cares when Americans protest its sending weapons to Israel, but to imagine Hamas cares about protesters in the US? That's wild.
The second question is a dumb and bad question. I think Israel should have done things very differently. That doesn't mean anything close to ignoring the hostages, but it also doesn't
Why hasn't she? What is the alternative. Do nothing about hostages a la jimmy carter?
You can criticize how Israel is fighting. But it's not a dumb question
Do you support Israel withdrawing completely from gaza without the return of the hostages? A simple yes or no will suffice
Censorship on Facebook or X really wouldn't violate the 1st amendment the way the regulating speech on college campuses does. One could make an argument that it does because the scope of these platforms creates a compelling enough public interest, but that would be an argument. Speech (by adults as most students are) on campus being protected (or at least intended to be) is crystal clear.
Why hasn't she? What is the alternative. Do nothing about hostages a la jimmy carter?
You can criticize how Israel is fighting. But it's not a dumb question
Do you support Israel withdrawing completely from gaza without the return of the hostages? A simple yes or no will suffice
Carter tried a rescue mission. Reagan made a crooked deal with Iran.
The second question is not a yes or no question. I don't know enough to set policy here, but I would probably have tried rescue missions if negotiations failed. Israel should do what is in the best interest of the hostages and that's not what's happening.
Any Jew that has gone to a protest demanding an immediate ceasefire without also going to a protest demanding the hostages being released is pathetic
I'm not thrilled with how President Biden has shifted, but even he constantly demands the hostages be released while he criticizes how Israel is acting. He has more morals than you
Freedom of speech in general is good but college campuses need protect children
Both right wing nazis and left wing anti[strike]semites[/strike]zionists have the right to protest their hate for Jews/Israel. I have not asked for censorship on X or Facebook even though i think it helps radicaize people. But I've heard students speak about reporting swatzikas and voicemail threats and the schools calling that Freedom of speech. The schools ca
freedom of speech is very important, but the antisemitism in college is *physical*, not just speech (which should always be allowed).
Physical. They come 20 cm to jews and shout to them spitting upon them. They take away Israel flags and destroy them. They block entrance to places where pro-Israel people have a planned speech.
That has nothing to do with speech. That's physical violence.
Any Jew that has gone to a protest demanding an immediate ceasefire without also going to a protest demanding the hostages being released is pathetic
I'm not thrilled with how President Biden has shifted, but even he constantly demands the hostages be released while he criticizes how Israel is acting. He has more morals than you
You support the bombing which is killing hostages.
Stfu kindly please. It's not just poster tearing that we are talking about and you're acting like an ignoramus acting like it is over and over
It's so much stuff like tearing down posters that you are making it look like all criticism of antisemitism is cynical political posturing. You're endangering Jews. You're making it so people will not believe that the tiki torch people can be a threat. And at these rallies you're increasing the reach and power of antisemitic Evangelicals who are just there because they think it's the path to Judgement Day.
Stfu kindly please. It's not just poster tearing that we are talking about and you're acting like an ignoramus acting like it is over and over
There is also an insane violent harassment of non-jews pro Israel which isn't counted as antisemitism because the victim of the violence isn't Jewish, but is antisemitism the same
The game theory people working on this conflict have had the right idea on the hostages.
Israel can't give up too much. They can't give up 1000 murderers, they can't give up the next Sinwar. And they can't give up their ability to end the reign of the hostile terrorist organization on their immediate border.
So there are inherently going to be spots where some of Israel's actions do kill hostages. And most Israelis and IDF members understand this.
The war can't be for nothing. And they can't be bombing Gaza again in 10 years.
Sadly the hostage's families have largely been working against the interests of the country as a whole. And a lot has been written on this. At the same time it's a human story, and it's understandable. But their actions have actually only decreased the odds of them getting their loved ones back.
Btw Micro I wasn't scared after the Synagogue massacre. I'm scared now though.
freedom of speech is very important, but the antisemitism in college is *physical*, not just speech (which should always be allowed).
Physical. They come 20 cm to jews and shout to them spitting upon them. They take away Israel flags and destroy them. They block entrance to places where pro-Israel people have a planned speech.
That has nothing to do with speech. That's physical violence.
When those IDF soldiers did a chemical weapons attack on some Jews was that considered antisemitic?
Hamas immediate requests are "allow us to rebuild all the tools to enact another genocidal attempt like 10 7".
Not only we shoulnd't give them any space to rebuild anything, we literally shouldn't talk with hamas at all, you never negotiate with terrorists.
Unfortunately Israel has hitherto racked up a sorry record of negotiating deals with hostage-takers (as everyone knows you never should, except in terms of 'Release the hostages and we might consider not killing you'), which is why the hostage-takers keep taking hostages. If you consistently reward a certain behaviour, it will consistently recur.
Unfortunately Israel has hitherto racked up a sorry record of negotiating deals with hostage-takers (as everyone knows you never should, except in terms of 'Release the hostages and we might consider not killing you'), which is why the hostage-takers keep taking hostages. If you consistently reward a certain behaviour, it will consistently recur.
Looks like they broke many patterns after 10 7 , i hope including that.
Almost everyone remaining are POWs
