The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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by Luciom P

and i assure you being homosexual isn't a proxy of being a radical leftist.

you should suck a dick to test that theory


by Luciom P

Discrimination when it's not about a protected class is not only legal but often reasonable, rational, appropriate. It's not about stereotypes, rather about statistical correlation.

You use those signals every time you make choices with incomplete information yourself as well, you don't go to a restaurant which signals to you elements which you know to be correlated to stuff you dislike in restaurants. You have behavioral red flags when choo


"I want to discriminate against LGBT people as a proxy for discriminating against leftists" is a striking admission.


by rickroll P

again, your own bigotry biased you into thinking those were negative comments

I legit think she's beautiful

Why are you randomly bringing up Maddow's evolving appearances regardless of whether it is "positive" or a "negative" comment?


by uke_master P

Why are you randomly bringing up Maddow's evolving appearances regardless of whether it is "positive" or a "negative" comment?

nevermind the prior posts you obviously missed

why are you assuming malice when there was zero evidence of it?

how was it evolving btw? were the last two not of the same era? any trend or transitions noticed were not real but just imaginary to you

you seem to insert a lot presumptions that are not based in fact in order to help shape your world view that someone like me is evil and you are good when in fact, it is you who is the bigot @sshole


by Luckbox Inc P

Assuming you think Sandy Hook is the low class version, what's the upper class version?

dunno, i dont get invited to those dinner parties. maybe something about (((marxists))) controlling hollywood

by microbet P

Very dishonest cropping in your quote.

i disagree, but sorry about that. here's the whole post

by microbet P

This is exactly right. Luckbox may think conspiracies are involved, but it's just that war and corporate rights and concentration of power in the hands of the wealthy and large corporations are things that are in the interests of a lot of powerful people and entities. These entities own a lot of stuff like corporate media. The entities love nothing more than the population dividing up into two groups who fight about who uses what bathroo

this is still the middle-class version of 'sandy hook was fake' and you still ought to have grown out of it by now


by Luciom P

Sometimes, yes, other times, i am not so sure.

What would be the very boring and standard motivation for Soros to fund with millions obscure district attorney races in favour of ultra-radical leftists who didn't prosecute theft up to 1000 $ of value, nor car stealing and stuff like that, in rich communities?

soros is very easy- he funds them because he supports their politics and vice versa.

tbh i hink its pretty simple to understand why a hungarian jew who came of age during ww2 might plumb for ultra-globalisation/fully open boarders/ultra-antinationalism


dorothy, a reasonable person would have realized the misread the intention of the post and apologized for the unwarranted and disrespectful accusation

but you're special, you are now doubling down and inventing new narratives that can justify your outrage

because you're a bigot

you have people like me labeled as evil and you'll only ever see anything I post in that light, so much that you do what you're doing now and wholly fabricate content in order to make that case in your mind

this is why you're a terrible person dorothy because not only do you divorce yourself from reality - but you genuinely believe you're contributing a net positive to society by doing so

you're a bigot 100%


by BOIDS P

soros is very easy- he funds them because he supports their politics and vice versa.

tbh i hink its pretty simple to understand why a hungarian jew who came of age during ww2 might plumb for ultra-globalisation/fully open boarders/ultra-antinationalism

man who can actually support allowing people to enter stores and steals? that a IQ 82 kind of policy really, Soros is a genius.

you can't really believe he supports allowing people to rob iphones with impunity.

I am not talking open borderism ffs which has some coherent explanation in some world views, I specifically pointed to the district attorneys who don't prosecute people who steal stuff from stores.


Most of people not going to jail for nonviolent crimes in California is because the jails and prisons are full and there was a court ruling preventing them from being overfilled anymore. And jails and prisons overfilled because of draconian sentencing, mandatory minimums, and of course the drug war.


by uke_master P

what a completely unnecessary dig on rachel maddow's appearance. So sad that being a public figure means she has to deal with crap like that.

Yet you’re silent when folks insult Trumps looks ?

I’m sure Rachel will be OK


Is this poster one of those countless examples ?


by uke_master P

what a completely unnecessary dig on rachel maddow's appearance. So sad that being a public figure means she has to deal with crap like that.

Yeah like Lizzo.


by rickroll P

dorothy, a reasonable person would have realized the misread the intention of the post and apologized for the unwarranted and disrespectful accusation

but you're special, you are now doubling down and inventing new narratives that can justify your outrage

because you're a bigot

you have people like me labeled as evil and you'll only ever see anything I post in that light, so much that you do what you're doing now and wholly fabricate content i

what on earth are you screeching about, sure leaning into the whole browser not being a mod anymore thing hard aren't ya?

I'm so so so so sorry that your posting pictures of Maddow because you apparently want to bang her, totally makes it a million times better you're absolutely right, let me revoke entirely my comments about the **** that female public figures have to endure. Oh wait.


by uke_master P

what on earth are you screeching about, sure leaning into the whole browser not being a mod anymore thing hard aren't ya?

I'm so so so so sorry that your posting pictures of Maddow because you apparently want to bang her, totally makes it a million times better you're absolutely right, let me revoke entirely my comments about the **** that female public figures have to endure. Oh wait.

Maddow made millions of dollars trying to drum up a new cold war. She'll be ok.


by uke_master P

what on earth are you screeching about, sure leaning into the whole browser not being a mod anymore thing hard aren't ya?

I'm so so so so sorry that your posting pictures of Maddow because you apparently want to bang her, totally makes it a million times better you're absolutely right, let me revoke entirely my comments about the **** that female public figures have to endure. Oh wait.

more strawmen for dorothy to follow the yellow brick road with

never addresses the actual topic, just takes cheap shots on fabricated premises, still doesn't understand wtf he was commenting upon yet finds a new fabricated outrage about it

this is where I would say try to keep up but you're no have intention of keeping up - you prefer to live in your own little imaginative world - it's easier to feel superior to the "evil people" that way

sad and pathetic - seriously man, you just really suck


guys don't fight. makes me too sad.


by Luckbox Inc P

guys don't fight. makes me too sad.

I'm just pointing out all his transgressions and he doesn't like the cost of making them visible


by uke_master P

Why are you randomly bringing up Maddow's evolving appearances regardless of whether it is "positive" or a "negative" comment?

because she's a public figure?

she's getting a little long in the tooth, but i find her to be sexy fwiw....glasses only.


by rickroll P

more strawmen for dorothy to follow the yellow brick road with

never addresses the actual topic, just takes cheap shots on fabricated premises, still doesn't understand wtf he was commenting upon yet finds a new fabricated outrage about it

this is where I would say try to keep up but you're no have intention of keeping up - you prefer to live in your own little imaginative world - it's easier to feel superior to the "evil people" that way

sad

you seem oddly angry.


by uke_master P

you seem oddly angry.

I think you mean oddly catty


Not angry at all, just calling you out on your hateful and bigoted nonsense

Not surprised at all you don’t address anything of substance nor apologize for your false slanderous allegations but instead you invent new nonsense

Par for the course from a sad pathetic individual who works a career with zero oversight surrounded by sycophantic students angling to either coast by with minimal contact or getting a top grade

A lifetime of that will work wonders on someone getting desensitized to objectivity and common sense. I fear you’re a lost cause as you’re still inventing nonsense instead of going back to the original false statement of yours


Sad thing is you don’t even see how bigoted and hypocritical you are and you genuinely think you’re a nice person who is doing good things here when you’re just a hateful bigot spreading lies and nonsense in order to feel good about yourself after a disappointing pedestrian life


maybe, uh, try going for a walk or something? Sunshine, nature, all that good stuff.


by rickroll P

Not angry at all, just calling you out on your hateful and bigoted nonsense

Not surprised at all you don’t address anything of substance nor apologize for your false slanderous allegations but instead you invent new nonsense

Par for the course from a sad pathetic individual who works a career with zero oversight surrounded by sycophantic students angling to either coast by with minimal contact or getting a top grade

A lifetime of that wi

You should relax with the insults. He is a professor and married with children. You are a sports betting degen who is clearly single and childless, and who needs to fly to asia to get laid. So seriously, stay on topic instead of attacking his life bc your extreme bitterness is showing


by Luciom P

Some proof employers discriminate against non-binary job seekers


There are a whole bunch of reasons why people might discriminate on the basis of superfluous evidence. For example, there is evidence that men are starting fewer academic collaborations with female colleagues post #meetoo.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/new-research...

Part of this might be unconscious, but given the high social costs (particularly in universities) of being accused of transphobia, racism, sexual harassment and so on, it's almost certainly conscious as well.


by GameofPwned P

You should relax with the insults. He is a professor and married with children. You are a sports betting degen who is clearly single and childless, and who needs to fly to asia to get laid. So seriously, stay on topic instead of attacking his life bc your extreme bitterness is showing

Oh no, a lurker pops in and I’ve been outed as a single person who is successful from professional sports betting that it allows him to travel the world. Whatever shall I do?

But for real, he still hasn’t apologized for his original false and slanderous comments and in each new iteration he invents a new completely false premise to continue his outrage directed at me. He literally wholly fabricates things in order to insult people.

Yet I’m the one who needs to chill because apparently pointing out his behavior is too much. As is apparently being single and using math in the real world. Just wait until uke now starts attacking you for idolizing the nuclear family.

And btw in one of the other trans threads he’s literally posted his fantasy of sleeping with trans women in the event “something happens to his wife.” I have no judgement on that, but given the value you put on things that may change your perspective.


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