The costs of trans visibility

"Obviously puberty blockers are fine for legitimate medical reasons" implies that you know what you are opining about. If not, maybe you should lead with a disclaimer about your knowledge level.

We treat people with problems changing the timing of their puberty to make it normal, which means changing normal puberty to make it abnormal in healthy kids is safe.

We reduce hormone levels to appropriate amount for a kid biological sex and age, which means that changing hormones in healthy kids with normal hormone levels is safe.

I just hope we can pass legislation to criminalize what you guys want to do with kids

Blockers are fine for some (but not all) children undergoing precocious puberty. It allows puberty to be paused for a couple of years until it is age appropriate, at which point the drug s removed and the child goes through a normal puberty.

Blockers for children with gender dysphoria are not used to "pause" puberty and give them time to make a decision. They are used as a gateway drug before the prescription of cross-sex hormones, as demonstrated by the 98% of children who progressed from blockers to cross-sex hormones at Tavistock.

So "fine" for when delaying early moodiness, sexualized behavior, acne and the risk of being short but otherwise very very dangerous.

The gateway drug? Please, you have to be kidding.

From The BBC: The Tavistock's newly published findings appear to confirm this, with 43 out of 44 participants - or 98% - choosing to start treatment with cross-sex hormones.

No wonder you have a bad rap for selectively quoting medical studies.

jjjou - Why have any medical regulation at all?

What type of medical regulations are you referring to?

I don't think I have stated that I oppose doctors obtaining medical licenses and getting board certified in their specialty area of practice.

Or regulations surrounding doctors needing to prescribe certain drugs to patients.

If doctors differ wildly among them about a medical practice, who decides what's proper for a minor? everything goes?

So like if 20% of doctors , radical rightwing extremist, start pushing some nefarious medical practice to minors because of their religious ideology, and justify that by publishing papers reviewed by other people like them, on journals that accept them because the editor is radical as well, we just allow that for minors?

These people love regulations in everything EXCEPT when it's about protecting minors , when then the "experts" themselves can self-regulate without political overview.

Imagine someone asking for the financial sector to start giving licences to investment bankers and then all rules controlling what investment bankers can do are exclusively written by investment bankers with no political oversight, because they are experts at investment banking "and the public isn't".

If you go to financial school (privately-decided curricula), and pass an exam held by private financial experts, you get to decide rules about finance, and everyone suggesting any form of political interference to that practice is a transphobic maga idiot.

Then if among financial experts some are in favour of 140% mortgages and some aren't, you just find the expert who agrees with you and get your 140% mortgage.

The above is *literally* what the left does with physicians and minors.

But the problem is i could actually see a completly unregulated financial sector, after all it's all adults participating.

Allowing physicians to self-regulate in full and decide by themselves what can be done to minors with NO LIMITS, and when they disagree among themselves you just find the physician who does what you want, well that's simply legalizing minor abuse at scale.

Investment bankers are in it for the money and doctors are just trying to save lives-- that's the crucial difference you're missing there.

lol

Between keeping up with best practices within your specialty, continuing education requirements, hospital rules, malpractice insurance guidelines, patient input and legal malpractice lawsuits I think there are plenty if standards that control a doctors actions, they just aren't regulations.

No, not everybody has their political idealogy so tied up in their weird ideas about how to control everything from across the pond. No need to rant about financial regulations in this thread, we all saw how Rococco destroyed your FDIC theory in the other thread.

I certain haven’t made this claim here, has anyone else?

Well, earlier you seemed to be saying that treatment was 100% up to the patient (or guardian). Is this not so? Where do you draw the line?

I don't think that you are as prone to hyperbolic statements as some of the others are but you certainly seemed to be going there with your "gateway drug" pot reference.

Here is an recent example of hyperbole that I attribute to the anti transgender posters:

I think you misinterpreted something. Where did I imply this and what specific regulations do you believe controls this area of medicine?

All these ideologues have are cherry-picked studies that they deliberately misinterpret. And at they same time they reject the consensus opinions of every serious mainstream medical/psychological org. It's why they have to resort to cinge rhetoric like "gender ideologue" and "gateway drugs," it's simply embarrassing to read.

It seemed to me you did more than imply it here

and here

and here

I know this is a joke, but reminds me of the story I told in another thread.

Asked dermatologist to look at a couple spots. She noticed some harmless chest acne I don't care about and didn't mention.

She pushed prescriptions for 3 drugs on me, including antibiotics. I accepted them without much thought. They then tried to get me to come in and get these prescriptions refilled every 6 months, presumably forever.

Extreme case, but I'd say most doctor visits I've had followed this basic model.

I'm sure that most autistic girls are trans though, just like boys who don't want to sit still for 7 hours all have ADD.

my college was a big feeder school for med school so I'm friends with lots of doctors, later spent time living with USC med school students when I was living in LA

all they talked about was competition for the different programs and which program they wanted to get into and which they thought was the most realistic given their scores

the best and the brightest who have their pick of programs nearly always choose the highest paying fields - some doctors will make 4x of other doctors simply because of the field they work in

your pediatrician very likely didn't choose that field because of a love for helping sick children but the far more likely reason why they are a pediatrician is they were towards the lower end of pool and didn't have much of a choice in the field they entered

yes, you have a few who could have taken a higher paying field but didn't, but when you've already achieved your #1 goal of being a doctor, you're far more likely to choose the route that pays 800k on average vs on which pays 200k on average as those are significant differences

You people love letting families/parents decide instead of the government except when it's about enforcing some kind of religious fundamentalism or just an appeal to tradition or conformity (fascism).

100%

at the end of the day it's a business and without repeat customers just coming in for routine prescriptions it becomes far less profitable

80% of our hospitals are privately owned and intended to make profit

Whats this obsession with autism and LGBTQ? Its like you guys think that having autism makes someone a ****** who can no longer function.

I have autism. My brother has autism. Its a wide and varied spectrum.

Most autistic people are just slightly socially awkward, they aren't rain man.

It's because in tavistock the incidence of autism among the kids that were subjected to "trans care" immediatly after they self defined themselves as trans was absurdly high.

We are talking 48%

I haven't known too many but all of the coolest seem to be internists.

Only ones I ever interact with in their professional capacity are ophthalmologists. I imagine they're doing well.