Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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bruv its funny that your interpretation is always going to align with the status quo and oppression.
Ah well if you're fighting against "oppression" and the status quo like... justifying the invasion of a neighboring nation, or a terrorist attack on civilian, then I guess it's fine to just make up **** and interpret however you want. Real curious how Ukraine is oppressing Russia, which is where you're most familiar with my interpretations.
Oh right, "can't refute, just ad hominem"
First kibbutz btw was founded in 1910 and roughly half of them predate the state of Israel.
Hearing from people who actually know what they're talking about and then deciding they'd rather rely on their own poor interpretations of things they've cherry picked online to be the real truth is the most PW and Victor thing I think I've ever seen.
Wikipedia and Israeli publications were very clear.
You choose to ignore them because they show you the truth and it doesn’t work with your altered view of this genocide.
Also why would you think any of these people “know” what they’re talking about, have they privately shown you credentials that make them experts?
Ah well if you're fighting against "oppression" and the status quo like... justifying the invasion of a neighboring nation, or a terrorist attack on civilian, then I guess it's fine to just make up **** and interpret however you want. Real curious how Ukraine is oppressing Russia, which is where you're most familiar with my interpretations.
Oh right, "can't refute, just ad hominem"
What’s your question? Who is saying Ukraine is oppressioning Russia? Not me. I never said Russia was justified in invading Ukraine either
Did you fool yourself into thinking these things?
What terrorist attack have I justified? The Israeli terrorist attacks? I said I would do the same so maybe you’re talking about that?
No, I have not seen mb or rafiki's Jew gold, but I do believe what they say. I've seen exactly one person lie about being a Jew before. Do you have reason to doubt them?
Also wikipedia and Israeli publications do not say what you think they say. You are reading it through a lens of wanting to clear terrorists of terrorism, although the concert passes the bar already anyways.
hes talking to me and hes lying like usual. he just repeats the lie over and over.
Victor, if you’d said that kibbutz are strategically placed and militaristic in their defense abilities then you wouldn’t be facing this pushback. But you said they are military installations, which by definition they are not. Be more selective in how you choose your words. Slow down!
Take a breath and think about what I’m saying here. I’m trying to help you, buddy 😀
Victor, if you’d said that kibbutz are strategically placed and militaristic in their defense abilities then you wouldn’t be facing this pushback. But you said they are military installations, which by definition they are not. Be more selective in how you choose your words. Slow down!
Take a breath and think about what I’m saying here. I’m trying to help you, buddy 😀
obv I didnt choose the most precise words. but one thing I learned dealing with these *******s is to never ever ever back down. they will throw it in your face for years.
and if I had use the more narrow description, they would have still thrown a fit.
obv I didnt choose the most precise words. but one thing I learned dealing with these *******s is to never ever ever back down. they will throw it in your face for years.
and if I had use the more narrow description, they would have still thrown a fit.
Make fewer of those errors of precision and build your credibility
So now the "lies" is that kibbutz aren't actual military installations.
I mean why do we waste times with people who explicitly side with the enemy? I can have some fun looking at their arguments, what narrative they decide to push from time to time is informative of enemy operations, but i mean it has never been about being "right" in an argument with them.
There’s an easy fix Victor. You say you were wrong and you keep it moving.
So now the "lies" is that kibbutz aren't actual military installations.
I mean why do we waste times with people who explicitly side with the enemy? I can have some fun looking at their arguments, what narrative they decide to push from time to time is informative of enemy operations, but i mean it has never been about being "right" in an argument with them.
Correct. Well not a lie. He was wrong
They were military installations, but are no longer. Now they are paramilitary installations.
But via international law and the Geneva convention, they are fair game. Feel free to read the passages I posted regarding having weapons and providing support for your nations fighting forces.
No, I have not seen mb or rafiki's Jew gold, but I do believe what they say. I've seen exactly one person lie about being a Jew before. Do you have reason to doubt them?
Also wikipedia and Israeli publications do not say what you think they say. You are reading it through a lens of wanting to clear terrorists of terrorism, although the concert passes the bar already anyways.
I don’t understand the point of this post
First, don’t say racist things
Second, do you think because someone is Jewish then they know what they are talking about?
You do realize we are discussing the military/paramilitary operations of kibbutzes. Someone being Jewish doesn’t mean they know what they are talking about
Do you really think that?
Victor, if you’d said that kibbutz are strategically placed and militaristic in their defense abilities then you wouldn’t be facing this pushback. But you said they are military installations, which by definition they are not. Be more selective in how you choose your words. Slow down!
Take a breath and think about what I’m saying here. I’m trying to help you, buddy 😀
What does "strategically placed" mean here? There are like 270 of them and Israel is the size of a large county in the US. The first was built in 1910, almost half predate the state of Israel and almost all of them predate the '67 borders.
It was poking fun at the extreme levels of antisemitism you and Victor have displayed the past few days.
Do you really doubt mb's story or rafiki's? Yes people who are tied to the Jewish community are going to have easier access to more information about Jewish communities. Yes, someone who knows someone who is good friends with people in a particular community is going to be able to more easily learn more about that community.
Where are you credentials to prove you're a military professional or whatever you called it?
It was poking fun at the extreme levels of antisemitism you and Victor have displayed the past few days.
Do you really doubt mb's story or rafiki's? Yes people who are tied to the Jewish community are going to have easier access to more information about Jewish communities. Yes, someone who knows someone who is good friends with people in a particular community is going to be able to more easily learn more about that community.
Where are you
What antisemitism?
What story? Why does anecdotal evidence have more weight than historical news articles and Wikipedia?
Going to have access doesn’t mean an expert. I have access to the Palestinian and Jewish communities, does that mean I’m an expert?
What credentials would you like? I also have a degree from a university.
Do you have any professional credentials? I can send mine to a mod from diff part of the forum if you want.
I’m also Jewish by religion and have been for many years, are you?
Correct. Well not a lie. He was wrong
They were military installations, but are no longer. Now they are paramilitary installations.
But via international law and the Geneva convention, they are fair game. Feel free to read the passages I posted regarding having weapons and providing support for your nations fighting forces.
They are fair game if active militaries and/or enemy combatants are using that location at the time of attack (which isn't the same as generically saying that kibbutz sometimes are used that way), and/or if there attacker has credible intel about the location being used as such.
THERE WAS NO STATE OF WAR PRE 10 7 though so there are no international laws justifying fair targets, hamas had no legal right to attack ANYONE AT ALL TO BEGIN WITH LOL, including IDF operatives.
There was no occupation nor any state of war.
Hamas has no right to exist to begin with, that's another detail.
Calling for war is antisemitic btw. Judaism is a peaceful religion that has been usurped by violent liars.
They are fair game if active militaries and/or enemy combatants are using that location at the time of attack (which isn't the same as generically saying that kibbutz sometimes are used that way), and/or if there attacker has credible intel about the location being used as such.
THERE WAS NO STATE OF WAR PRE 10 7 though so there are no international laws justifying fair targets, hamas had no legal right to attack ANYONE AT ALL TO BEGIN WITH
No that’s not what the definitions said, try again. Or quote where you got this information from.
That’s debatable and you can easily be right by adding a prefix to the word military
Kibbutzes are places arms are stored correct? That makes them fair game for all attacks. It’s not like they are hiding the arms and kibbutzes under hospitals, which Israel says would make the hospitals fair game, but I disagree
PW:
Anecdotal is not a bad word. When discussing a particular thing like this, having an anecdote is extremely powerful, especially when people are making ridiculous blanket statements like "kibbutzes are military outposts". Having even one anecdote disproves that.
They don't need to be experts in order to provide far better information than poor interpretations of wikipedia articles that don't really seem to go into what we're discussing (probably because wikipedia doesn't waste time on explaining what things aren't).
I don't actually need credentials. Your arguments stand on their own merit imo. You are the one obsessed with appeals to authority, I was merely pointing out that you like to claim authority but you've never actually proven it.
No, I am not Jewish.
What does "strategically placed" mean here? There are like 270 of them and Israel is the size of a large county in the US. The first was built in 1910, almost half predate the state of Israel and almost all of them predate the '67 borders.
It wasn’t my argument, it was his. I was just offering a more accurate edit if he wanted to continue to make it.
Or we can spend a few more pages defining the words “military installation”. Whatever, I guess.
Everything is somewhat militarized in Israel. Highways are built to double as landing strips for fighter planes, almost all the buildings have bomb shelters, most people are conscripted. Kibbutzim are one of the least military organizations in Israel, but they are still part of a very military society that some people refer to as "Fortress Israel".
