Israel/Palestine thread

Israel/Palestine thread

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07 October 2023 at 09:33 PM
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It could well be choreographed. Probably is would be my guess

but there are wildcards. Not least Netanyahu.


persian penetrates!


by microbet P

The slow flying drones have to fly over a score of US military bases in Iraq and get past the Israeli air defenses and then a Shahed-136 drone only has an 88lb warhead which is very unlikely to injure people in shelters. Iran has ballistic missiles that have 1000lb+ warheads. They aren't trying very hard to really hit Israel.

Ya some people are saying his was a telegraphed response meant to avoid escalation. Others are celebrating the imminent destruction of Israel.


Could end up being wrong as things often are in the earliest reports, but supposedly some cruise missiles fired from Iran, which would be a very different threat level than these drones.


Why would this news send BTC down?

Because the USD is backed by oil and because instability in mid east is good for oil or what?


by Luckbox Inc P

Why would this news send BTC down?

Because the USD is backed by oil and because instability in mid east is good for oil or what?

USA is the largest oil producer by a little, and it's the 4th largest oil exporter, but it's by far the largest oil consumer (1.7x as much as China) - so on the whole it's not good for the USA even though it's good for the US Oil industry. I'm not sure what that would mean for the dollar, but maybe it's good for the dollar because high oil prices are worse for Europe and China than for the US?


persian penetrate in an Aussie mall!


by Luckbox Inc P

Why would this news send BTC down?

Because the USD is backed by oil and because instability in mid east is good for oil or what?

think its just high beta risk on assets selling off on the initial news

nothing more than that


Ya ppl saying cruise missiles too. Liberals can celebrate the next war.


by Schlitz mmmm P

persian penetrate in an Aussie mall!

You have a source for that? There are unverified reports of the attacker being identified as a not-persian not-muslim.


LONDON -- At least six people were killed in a knife attack on Saturday at a shopping mall near Bondi Beach in Sydney, Australia, police confirmed. The attacker was shot dead by a responding officer.

Police said a nine-month-old baby is among the eight others who were injured in the stabbing attack.

The suspect was identified as a 40-year-old male and his attack is not thought to be terror-related, New South Wales Police Commissioner Karen Webb said during a press conference on Saturday.

The police "don't have fears for that person holding an ideation, in other words, that it's not a terrorism incident," Webb said.

Five women and one man were identified as the victims of the attack.

Webb said there was "no suggestion" anyone was targeted in the attack. "We will only know that in time," she said.

Sounds fishy. Guy stabs 6 people (or more) and they're saying it's not terror?


7News Australia seems to be identifying him as Benjamin Cohen, a basically 100% Jewish name. Supposedly he said nothing while doing it.


https://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne...

Sky News Australia reporter Laura Jayes, who was reporting on the incident from Bondi Junction, said on air that she knew the mother who had been killed.

“She was so excited to be a new mother and all of that was ripped away in seconds,” she said.

Reporter happens to know one of the people (allegedly) killed.


I guess it being witnessed by hundreds of people just now isn't going to make you think it's a thing that even really happened.


by microbet P

I guess it being witnessed by hundreds of people just now isn't going to make you think it's a thing that even really happened.

If they've already decided it wasn't terror and some reporter just happens to know someone (allegedly) killed then that's worth about 75 witnesses.


Jordan is helping to shoot down the drones.

they are going to have a civil war on their hands. half the country has been in the streets rallying in support of the Palestinians for the last 13 days.


would Iran step out like this without access to a nuclear weapon(s) to act as a deterrent?


by Luckbox Inc P

If they've already decided it wasn't terror and some reporter just happens to know someone (allegedly) killed then that's worth about 75 witnesses.

They make a preliminary judgement about whether it's terrorism or not as soon as they find out if he's Muslim or not.


Potentates and penetrates!


by ligastar P

would Iran step out like this without access to a nuclear weapon(s) to act as a deterrent?

I dont think anyone thinks Iran has nuclear weapons themselves. you think they might get them from Russia or something?

it really seems like a dumb move by Iran and something that is going to increase the suffering in Gaza. but who knows, maybe they are confident in their missiles and drones.


by Victor P

Jordan is helping to shoot down the drones.

they are going to have a civil war on their hands. half the country has been in the streets rallying in support of the Palestinians for the last 13 days.

lol


Fighting between Israel and Iran could easily do something outside either country like reignite civil war in Iraq.


by microbet P

Fighting between Israel and Iran could easily do something outside either country like reignite civil war in Iraq.

I am sure USA will arm extremist groups like ISIS to fight against the Resistance. hell they do that already like in Syria.


by Victor P

I dont think anyone thinks Iran has nuclear weapons themselves. you think they might get them from Russia or something?

i didn't read the latest itt before posting

perhaps this is a telegraphed "attack" and a way for Iran to save face domestically

i just had visions of there being serious damage and loss of life in Israel and was thinking would Iran launch such an attack without a serious form of deterrence to Israel's response?


by ligastar P

i didn't read the latest itt before posting

perhaps this is a telegraphed "attack" and a way for Iran to save face domestically

i just had visions of there being serious damage and loss of life in Israel and was thinking would Iran launch such an attack without a serious form of deterrence to Israel's response?

ya it seems like a bad idea by Iran but maybe they think their non-nuclear missiles and drones are enough.


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