Israel/Palestine thread
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Iran's threat is pretty serious. While last night was a great show for Israeli AD, it's not indicative of what an actual war would look like, and people concluding that Israel is untouchable are just wrong (not saying anyone here has said it). Iran gave 3 days of warnings to Israel and allies to get their defenses set up then launched Shaheds on a 9 hour flight path. Hezbollah launched like 20 rockets. And even that cost Israel hundreds of millions of dollars.
Iran and proxies have extremely low quality missiles which are designed to overwhelm. In the event of an all out war, Hezbollah firing from so close while Iran was firing far more than they did last night, could overwhelm even the Iron Dome.
Hamas is threatening because they can do things like October 7th. The fact they stand no chance when facing Israel's conventional troops doesn't really address the threat they pose.
scary thing is how all these people in this thread support this stuff.
Israeli talking heads framing this as something that could have never happened before Oct 7th, it would have been inconceivable. In essence Israel's (reduced) standing in the world is the only thing that allowed Iran to believe it could attempt what it just attempted.
Honestly I don't disagree.
Iran's threat is pretty serious. While last night was a great show for Israeli AD, it's not indicative of what an actual war would look like, and people concluding that Israel is untouchable are just wrong (not saying anyone here has said it). Iran gave 3 days of warnings to Israel and allies to get their defenses set up then launched Shaheds on a 9 hour flight path. Hezbollah launched like 20 rockets. And even that cost Israel hundreds of
lol they wrecked Israel's conventional troops. that why Israel had to withdraw and go back to murdering civilians with bombs and drones.
but I agree with the first part!
cope
I've noticed before how poor your understanding of some events is. You write this as if WW2 and the development of the atom bomb in the USA were separate and unconnected events that just happened to occur at the same time.
It's weird that you think I don't know this, but I don't care enough to argue with you either way. I don't know you.
Israeli talking heads framing this as something that could have never happened before Oct 7th, it would have been inconceivable. In essence Israel's (reduced) standing in the world is the only thing that allowed Iran to believe it could attempt what it just attempted.
Honestly I don't disagree.
seems you forgot that Israel bombed the Iranian embassy and murdered a bunch of people.
The Flaccid Fusillade - as Iran's attack on Israel would come to be known - did not necessitate cope cages(trademark the industrious people of Russia).
If you stop foaming at the mouth for a second and read more slowly, you'll see that what my post is saying is before Oct 7th, that same thing would have never triggered a ballistic missile strike. And we know this because we have all of the history before Oct 7th that proves this.
If you stop foaming at the mouth for a second and read more slowly, you'll see that what my post is saying is before Oct 7th, that same thing would have never triggered a ballistic missile strike. And we know this because we have all of the history before Oct 7th that proves this.
seems you forgot Israel did a genocide on the Gazans and murdered dozens of Lebanese and Syrians.
you are acting like Iran just did this bc they hate Jews or something. no they did it bc Israel is fascist warmonger that is murdering all of its neighbors.
but then, you are probably wrong. what did Iran do after Suleimani was murdered?
lol they wrecked Israel's conventional troops. that why Israel had to withdraw and go back to murdering civilians with bombs and drones.
but I agree with the first part!
They did not. Their limited successes were mostly due to the tunnel system as well, which they would not have when attacking Israel.
seems you forgot Israel did a genocide on the Gazans and murdered dozens of Lebanese and Syrians.
you are acting like Iran just did this bc they hate Jews or something. no they did it bc Israel is fascist warmonger that is murdering all of its neighbors.
but then, you are probably wrong. what did Iran do after Suleimani was murdered?
killing Lebanese and syrians who want to kill Jews is very moral (an imperative, if you will).
and there never was any genocide in Gaza either.
Iran hates Jews, explicitly. but Iran is managed by smart people, intellectual people, who understand reality.
they reacted lawfully because they were attacked in Damascus. not because of hatred. and in this phase they only want their proxies to wage war to Israel
The Flaccid Fusillade - as Iran's attack on Israel would come to be known - did not necessitate cope cages(trademark the industrious people of Russia).
the attack had a decent size.
the protective bubble worked better than expected though, technology and skill from the west saved Jewish lives
I dont, Israel killed enemies of Israel in Syria. Iran lawfully retaliated.
do you think the world is a better place with anti-Semite Iranian high level militaries having been assassinated? I do.
all anti semites planning violence against jews should be assassinated no matter where they are in the world. we should all agree on this.
Remember, guys, Islam has nothing to do with any of this.
They did not. Their limited successes were mostly due to the tunnel system as well, which they would not have when attacking Israel.
ok I wasnt talking about attacking them. I am saying in this war, the ground troops did well against Israel. and ofc the tunnels had a lot to do with it. just like Israeli tanks and technology have a lot to do with their abilities.
killing Lebanese and syrians who want to kill Jews is very moral (an imperative, if you will).
and there never was any genocide in Gaza either.
Iran hates Jews, explicitly. but Iran is managed by smart people, intellectual people, who understand reality.
they reacted lawfully because they were attacked in Damascus. not because of hatred. and in this phase they only want their proxies to wage war to Israel
bro they killed paramedics and children and old people.
been telling you guys this for awhile. now it has reached Israeli mainstream talk shows. previously it was reported or referenced in Israeli articles but not really spotlighted.
lol they wrecked Israel's conventional troops. that why Israel had to withdraw and go back to murdering civilians with bombs and drones.
but I agree with the first part!
That's what I'm talking about different people having different reasons for saying Hamas is strong. Something like 250 Israeli soldiers have been killed since 10/7 and maybe 50 or even more of those from friendly fire. That's in 6 months of fighting.
it has less to do with this than most people on either side think imho.
especially when we are talking Iran.
Hamas yes, has the Islamic "cloud" covering their thoughts.
but Iran is as motivated by "Islam" as the Catholic v Protestant wars were in our European past. it's just an excuse, it's about real resources, real power, and geographic hegemony
Happens. Speed ahead in your cyclical self-delusion to where you blame it on a uniquely evil Jewish/ Israeli nature or something
it has less to do with this than most people on either side think imho.
especially when we are talking Iran.
Hamas yes, has the Islamic "cloud" covering their thoughts.
but Iran is as motivated by "Islam" as the Catholic v Protestant wars were in our European past. it's just an excuse, it's about real resources, real power, and geographic hegemony
Yeah, sure. wtf that means. That region is gonna become increasingly unlivable for climate change. And the real-life agitation of large numbers of Islamists will remain another deleterious force in the region.
