The costs of trans visibility

Obviously, there is zero upside for them, which is why this deranged Alex Jones conspiracy nonsense is so absurd.

Unfortunately, the bigots don't have a better way to explain away the fact that the entire psychiatric/medical establishment is against their anti-trans bullying. So they have to invent a conspiracy in which teachers and doctors and scholars all engage in a massive, inexplicable conspiracy for no benefit. It's easier to accept that than to accept that human sexuality is more complicated than they had appreciated.

Ironically many land lords do the exact same thing with their little evil overlord chat rooms and forums. They give each other grift ideas to rip off their tenants and talk about their occupants like you guys talk about trans people.

Everyone just despises everyone now. The culture is about looking out for ones self and ****ing everyone else over.

You're probably right, but I wouldn't worry too much about those evil landlords conspiring amongst themselves. Everyone has a smart mouth until HUD slaps their dick on the table.

The actual evil bastards out there will eventually run into someone that knows how to file a small claims suit against them. If you or someone you know has a genuine reason to believe they're being taken advantage of, there are a million avenues available to ruin the landlord's day/week/year. The law and the people who enforce it are on your side, not theirs.

Depends on the country, on the location, the moment in time and so on.

In Italy yes it's like you said in 90%+ of the cases, in the UK (london) currently the situation is absolutely insane. I tried helping a friend (not british, with work visa) navigate a situation where he rented and heating didn't work (even if in writing, owner said heating worked) and even the lawyer person we contacted through italian-british associations said he was lucky to have rent halved for some months even if the house was absolutely not usable at all in winter. He also had to make the repairs himself (at his own risk of failure) anticipating the expenses (which were then deducted from future rents) otherwise it could have taken forever.

At the time (was like a year ago) i looked around online and something like 25% of rented places in London lacked something very very basic , and/or had mold and absurd stuff like that

I don't know why you guys keep lying like this about a purported consensus of the medical establishment in favour of "trans care" for minors, because in many civilized countries (even some with higher human development index than the USA for health, ie with an objectively better medical establishment) that's not the case at all.

Well i mean, i know why you guys love to lie about "science" agreeing with you, but it's still simply a gross lie

Yeah actually, it used to be pretty normal to rent a house and not have your rent go up every lease because land lords weren't treating their portfolio as a hyper optimized company with expected growth. Mostly because they aren't companies with expected growth, but grinder culture really ****ed that chicken.

Sure thing

It didn't matter if you owned a home or not — high interest rates were a pain for everybody.

In 1980, The National was looking at why those higher interest rates were costing those who rented apartments more money.

"Like everything else, apartment rents keep going up and nowhere has that been more true than in Alberta," the CBC's Don Newman explained to viewers on April 3, 1980, back when he was reporting from the westernmost Prairie province.

"People moving from other parts of Canada to take advantage of the booming economy have kept the demand for apartments high -- and now spiralling mortgage interest rates are putting even more pressure on rents."

https://www.cbc.ca/archives/why-high-int...

I really don't understand why you think that in years with a lot of inflations, landlords didn't increase rent when they could , maybe you are confusing some memory related with rent control in some places with an actual willness to leave (a ton of) money on the table

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So because rents went up in Alberta in 1980 you think that data can be extrapolated to anything meaningful

Anyways, this is a pretty hard derail

I mean i get a random "no actually landlords didn't increase rent any chance they had in the past" , totally unsubstantiated comment, i look for some hard proof of a counterexample, and THEN the answer clearly is "eh just a data point".

The claim is yours man, prove this insane idea that landlords, even where they were fully allowed by law to increase rent, even with double digit inflation, actually did it far less than they do today, decades ago.

But the best part of this was you trying to claim this is how we ITT treat trans people lol

Where's the lie? Not a single legitimate public health org agrees with your deranged transphobic nonsense, all you have are cherry-picked studies, hyperbolic rhetoric, and wild conspiracy theories.

It's the same thing creationists say: oh, all the world's scientists are in on a big plot and only weirdos on the internet know the truth.

I was responding to a land lord ripping on his tenants with a counter argument that many land lords look at their tenants as sub human. Seems relevant to the topic considering the opinions held by people like you. The only part of this conversation that is relevant

you should tour the tenement museum in NYC, really cool

People generally will see what they want to see, and that goes both ways. Even people who call themselves poker players are often not very good at reasonably interpreting statistics, so imagine how bad your average joe is

Kind of pot calling the kettle black here lol. Half-truths and misrepresenting facts to push a narrative (whether consciously or unconsciously) is extremely prevalent on both sides of the issue. I get the impression that most people in this thread get most of their "news" related to trans issues from one or more of the carefully curated outrage outlets (of which there are many in Western media, particularly in the US/UK/Canada)

I give you the benefit of the doubt, maybe you are just misinformed about foreign public health organizations.

Finland

A year ago, the Finnish Health Authority (PALKO/COHERE) deviated from WPATH's "Standards of Care 7," by issuing new guidelines that state that psychotherapy, rather than puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones, should be the first-line treatment for gender-dysphoric youth. This change occurred following a systematic evidence review, which found the body of evidence for pediatric transition inconclusive.

Although pediatric medical transition is still allowed in Finland, the guidelines urge caution given the unclear nature of the benefits of these interventions, largely reserving puberty blocker and cross-sex hormones for minors with early-childhood onset of gender dysphoria and no co-occurring mental health conditions. Surgery is not offered to those <18. Eligibility for pediatric gender reassignment is being determined on a "case-by-case basis" in two centralized gender dysphoria research clinics.

https://segm.org/Finland_deviates_from_W...

Sweden

Updated advice from Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare (NBHW), which has in the past championed “gender affirming” medical interventions as “safe and secure”, says puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones should only be given in “exceptional” cases outside research studies.

https://www.genderclinicnews.com/p/swede...

Denmark

Ms Løhde said that medical treatment at the Danish central gender clinic in Copenhagen—the Sexology Clinic—would only be offered “if the child or young person has had gender dysphoria since childhood.”

“If the gender dysphoria has started in connection with puberty, the young person may, among other things, be referred to a process of reflection or clarification,” she said.

https://www.genderclinicnews.com/p/doubt...

3 countries with objectively better medical establishments than the USA, 3 public health authorities who share a lot of our doubts about blocker/hormones/surgery in minors for gender disphoria, including the possibility that "rapid onsent gender disphoria" can just be "confusion" (ie high chance of the person not being actually trans).

Then ofc we can check japanese public health authorities if you want, or Japan doesn't count because reasons, even if japanese health is far better than american health?

lol, Finland's not even a real country.

It's easier to make national health are decisions when you have populations the size of Alabama in the USA. Nothing wrong with a nation making such a decision, but it is hardly some tipping the scale and claiming the majority of healthcare providers agree with your position. No major association of medical professionals in the US are in agreement with Finland Denmark or Sweden.

Luciom,

The reason those countries have enacted stricter rules isn't because they are more libertarian or less marxist or culturally marxist than the USA. Quite the contrary. Yeah, I know, protect the children, but man you're an absolutist who thinks the state owns all children.

Like to hear your response to the state mandating covid vaccines for children over the objection of the children and their parents.

Why do you think those countries are going that route re trans kids?

Oh so the "reputable public health authorities" only matter if they agree with you, go figure.

And btw Japan is 125M people

it was an horrid mistake because covid does less than other diseases we don't mandate vaccination for, to children. It was a mandate predicated on a lie.

But polio vax mandate for kids isn't wrong because of libertarian principles being violated (they aren't, the kid has no freedom autonomy). It is wrong because it doesn't work to achieve higher vax access (given most countries constitutions don't allow for a big penalty if you end up disregarding the mandate), which is why half of europe countries don't mandate ANY vaccination to kids, did you know that?

That's the price of admission when you peddle experts as truth.

So you're not against vaccine mandates, right?

If I post articles about rents decreasing in Austin and San Antonio does that prove that rents have decreased across the board in 2023?

Well, no, they are quite literally the only two cities in the entire US (as tracked by nerdwallet) that saw rents decrease in 2023.

You know this well though. You are quite adept at misrepresenting statistics and timelines

Why don’t you tell us.