Israel/Palestine thread
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almost 90% of the Jewish Israeli population either supports the way the war is being waged or think the Army is not killing enough.
we have pages of genocidal statements by leaderssubmitted by SA to the courts.
many Israeli scholars have been predicting an event like this for years given the radicalization and dehumanization in their society.
these soldiers are a reflection of that.
this is going to go down in history as one of the all time g
My "both sides" here is the existence of Israelis who don't want to murder every Palestinian and you're saying that side doesn't exist.
I said the Nabka was a clear-cut example of ethnic cleansing, which is not even a slightly controversial take. In response, you're having an all-day tantrum where you deny the suffering of Palestinian people, yell "NAKBKANABKABAKANAN" and make the most childish whatabout arguments I've seen anywhere.
You called it a Holocaust broseph. I disagree.
My "both sides" here is the existence of Israelis who don't want to murder every Palestinian and you're saying that side doesn't exist.
Victor is an antisemite who believes [strike]Jews[/strike] israelis are inherently evil and you speak to him like he has the ability to not hate [strike]Jews[/strike]Israelis
At least you are sort of admonishing him here for his ridiculousness which is a good first step
My "both sides" here is the existence of Israelis who don't want to murder every Palestinian and you're saying that side doesn't exist.
ofc I am not saying they dont exist. but they are small and powerless and even persecuted population.
Ive posted about this guy before
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/j...
and I often link tweets from pro-Palestinian Israelis who are sickened by their society. if anyone is acting like those people dont exist it is the pro-War crowd.
Most refugees in the world assimilate and search for a better life
Average of 5 years
Except for Palestinians
Many have been refugees for 50 years?
And they specifically made up UNRWA to not resettle them which would be the humane thing to do like you do with every other refugee group in existence: no let's make them pwns in this game to not allow Israel to be a legit State
I mean, if you dont believe me, will you believe a history teacher from Israel?
time and time again there are accounts of how dehumanized the Palestinians are in Israeli society.
Before and during WW2, Jewish migration to Palestine was difficult for Palestinian opposition and English complicity.
Conceive of it. A race of people facing their industrialized extermination.
So, 3 years removed from WW2 - the possibility of peaceful coexistence still nonexistent - they blew to hell some British and Palestinians.
git some
It says I'm the 2017 update
No recognition of the State of Israel
Eventual goal of Palestine being from River to Sea
Lol calling that 1967 borders
You must be trolling
they straight up said they would accept the 1967 borders.
you are moving the goalpost. now you want them to "recognize Israel" whatever that means.
does Israel need to recognize Hamas? or Palestine? or Gaza or West Bank?
they straight up said they would accept the 1967 borders.
you are moving the goalpost. now you want them to "recognize Israel" whatever that means.
does Israel need to recognize Hamas? or Palestine? or Gaza or West Bank?
Yes Israel would need to recognize Palestine as a state and not say Israel should be full river to sea in its charter for an agreement to be legit
they straight up said they would accept the 1967 borders.
you are moving the goalpost. now you want them to "recognize Israel" whatever that means.
does Israel need to recognize Hamas? or Palestine? or Gaza or West Bank?
. The following are considered null and void: the Balfour Declaration, the British Mandate Document, the UN Palestine Partition Resolution, and whatever resolutions and measures that derive from them or are similar to them. The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.
19. There shall be no recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist entity. Whatever has befallen the land of Palestine in terms of occupation, settlement building, judaisation or changes to its features or falsification of facts is illegitimate. Rights never lapse.
20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.
Cliffs:
Israel is illegal. Israel is evil. Palestine will be free from river to sea. But we will say we accept 67 borders to become a sovereign state before we kill the Jews and become free from river to sea
sounds pretty reasonable to me. they dont say anything about killing Jews. you made that part up.
sounds pretty reasonable to me. they dont say anything about killing Jews. you made that part up.
The put Israel in quotes and say they will accept the border to gain statehood without compromising their goal to be Palestine from river to sea
That means that still plan to eliminate "Israel"
Are you actually denying that's what it means?
What planet are you from? Since before 1900 the goal of the Yishuv was a Jewish-majority state. Jabotinsky, Ben-Gurion, were all explicit about this. Ben-Gurion even went on record saying he was for "transfer."
And of course the Gaza perimeter was occupied. They weren't allowed an airport or fishing beyond three miles. The border was choked off.
Freedom? You can't handle freedom. And now you're dyin for it!
A gun in your hand makes [strike]Abdul[/strike] a fool out of you. Oy vey! A gun in your hand makes a target out of me. Oh no!
The put Israel in quotes and say they will accept the border to gain statehood without compromising their goal to be Palestine from river to sea
That means that still plan to eliminate "Israel"
Are you actually denying that's what it means?
you can eliminate Israel without murdering any Jews.
Then it'll behave like a proper state or something.
Before and during WW2, Jewish migration to Palestine was difficult for Palestinian opposition and English complicity.
Conceive of it. A race of people facing their industrialized extermination.
So, 3 years removed from WW2 - the possibility of peaceful coexistence still nonexistent - they blew to hell some British and Palestinians.
git some
You know, this could actually be the most complete summary of that time period in the whole thread.
Stop quoting Victor and just periodically remind people to ignore him.
What planet are you from? Since before 1900 the goal of the Yishuv was a Jewish-majority state. Jabotinsky, Ben-Gurion, were all explicit about this. Ben-Gurion even went on record saying he was for "transfer."
And of course the Gaza perimeter was occupied. They weren't allowed an airport or fishing beyond three miles. The border was choked off.
Jabotinsky and Ben-Gurion weren't all of the Yeshuv. The Yeshuv are not really a thing that could be said to have goals. Maybe you should not use words you don't understand.
