The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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by coordi P

Right, both of you have made reasonable arguments based on facts. Facts that support your position.

So why did the twitter post need to straight up lie? Its just lying for lying's sake, and its exhausting.


Honduras isn't even the highest homicide rate in the world and Switzerland isn't the lowest.

I wouldn't be surprised if the populations were wrong too. (they are) Maybe the info graphic is 15 years old

I think Honduras had the highest homicide rate in the world in the early 2010s.

Anyway the infographic isn't misleading, just a tad hyperbolic.

A corrected one would be "top 10", "bottom 10", but the message would be identical.

Unclear why you are so tilted by something which is quite on the right side of information, even if imprecise.

Population number are very close to correct if as for the crime rate we use 2009-2012 data.

The infographic must be from around that time.

As for the requirement to own guns, that's only a tad imprecise again.

You are required to keep a gun which isn't technically yours for like 20 years (can be from 15 to 30 years after you are 18 depending on your role), basically if military aged man.

What's your problem with that comparison? That extreme brevity necessarily requires imprecision?

The broad message is absolutely correct and very significant


It's not illegal to own a gun in Honduras.


Regardless, the reason for the high murder rate in Honduras is US drug laws, draconian prison sentencing and policing and deportations. MS13 originated on the streets of Los Angeles and in US prisons.


by microbet P

Regardless, the reason for the high murder rate in Honduras is US drug laws, draconian prison sentencing and policing and deportations. MS13 originated on the streets of Los Angeles and in US prisons.

Could you humor me and give an explanation of how US drug laws and prison sentences cause murders in Honduras?


by chillrob P

Could you humor me and give an explanation of how US drug laws and prison sentences cause murders in Honduras?

MS13 formed in Los Angeles and in prisons in California. Gang members deported to El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala spread the gang there.

Drug laws is obvious. Drugs being illegal and demand for drugs in the US is what made the Colombian and Mexican cartels as well as the street gangs of Central America.

Of course that combined with the history of imperialism and US domination whether by military invasion, coups, corruption and companies like United Fruit.

One of the early leaders of MS13 had been in the Salvadoran special forces and trained by the US Green Berets in Panama.


Dunno if you get the prison sentence thing, but it's the prison sentencing (largely mandatory minimums and harsh drug sentencing) that led to the immense growth of the prison population and gangs proliferated and strengthened in prisons. As Kropotkin said, prisons are Universities of crime.


by chillrob P

Could you humor me and give an explanation of how US drug laws and prison sentences cause murders in Honduras?

They create enormous financial incentives for the kinds of industries that lead to Hondurans getting murdered in cartel disputes and whatnot.


by microbet P

Dunno if you get the prison sentence thing, but it's the prison sentencing (largely mandatory minimums and harsh drug sentencing) that led to the immense growth of the prison population and gangs proliferated and strengthened in prisons. As Kropotkin said, prisons are Universities of crime.

Letting those gang members out of prison was definitely a big mistake.


by chillrob P

Letting those gang members out of prison was definitely a big mistake.

You're a dumbass.


I'm not a fan of the drug war. But anyone who would commit violent crimes, no matter what the incentives, should not be a free member of society, in the US or in Honduras. That's enough derail for me though.


by chillrob P

I'm not a fan of the drug war. But anyone who would commit violent crimes, no matter what the incentives, should not be a free member of society, in the US or in Honduras. That's enough derail for me though.

I used to have a small construction company and had three felons who worked for me. One, who had the most serious crime legally spent 5.5 years in prison for a non-violent drug crime. He wasn't a dealer either. He was an addict, years before I met him, and delivered some drugs for a dealer because he needed drugs. The other two were much more minor legally and never spent time in prison. They were both violent. One got in a fight in a bar and the other got in a fight with some ex-roomates who stole his stuff. No serious injuries I think. Obviously none of them should have spent life in prison or be executed.

But, that's not really even what I meant exactly. Drug charges turn people into worse criminals. Their opportunities get narrowed and they spend time in jails and prisons, often becoming more dangerous to society.


by microbet P

I used to have a small construction company and had three felons who worked for me. One, who had the most serious crime legally spent 5.5 years in prison for a non-violent drug crime. He wasn't a dealer either. He was an addict, years before I met him, and delivered some drugs for a dealer because he needed drugs. The other two were much more minor legally and never spent time in prison. They were both violent. One got in a fight in a

If this is true, now that blue states have generally stopped incarcerating for drug offenses, we should see a dramatic reduction in "worse criminals." Correct?

This is my main gripe with criminal justice "reform." Is that if the theory of progressive drug reform was correct, we should be getting some pretty dramatic indications reforms are making things better. But by all appearances the opposite is happening. And the progressive reform proponets themselves seem remarkable indifferent to how poorly their theories work when tested in the wild.


by Dunyain P

If this is true, now that blue states have generally stopped incarcerating for drug offenses, we should see a dramatic reduction in "worse criminals." Correct?

This is my main gripe with criminal justice "reform." Is that if the theory of progressive drug reform was correct, we should be getting some pretty dramatic indications reforms are making things better. But by all appearances the opposite is happening. And the progressive reform

It's not a progressive theory rather a bipartisan approach, and things got a lot better.

second chance act of 2007 (unanimous in the Senate, signed by Bush)

Fair sentencing act of 2010 (unanimous in the Senate, signed by Obama)

First step act 2018 (87 votes in the Senate, signed by Trump)

All address the topic reducing sentencing for non violent drug offenses sometimes by a lot, making it easier for drug offenders to re enter society and so on

It's isn't a progressive trope


Another transphobic neofascist maga goverment stops prescribing puberty blockers and hormones to minors

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-688...

Scotland's NHS has paused prescribing puberty blockers to children referred by its specialist gender clinic.

The Sandyford clinic in Glasgow also said new patients aged 16 or 17 would no longer receive other hormone treatments until they were 18.

It follows a landmark review of gender services for under-18s in England.

Dr Hilary Cass's review said children had been let down by a lack of research and there was "remarkably weak" evidence on medical interventions.

NHS England confirmed it would stop prescribing puberty blockers in March.

The drugs work by suppressing the release of hormones that cause puberty and are often prescribed to children questioning their gender as a way of stopping physical changes such as breast development or facial hair.


by Dunyain P

If this is true, now that blue states have generally stopped incarcerating for drug offenses, we should see a dramatic reduction in "worse criminals." Correct?

This is my main gripe with criminal justice "reform." Is that if the theory of progressive drug reform was correct, we should be getting some pretty dramatic indications reforms are making things better. But by all appearances the opposite is happening. And the progressive reform

Homicide rate was 50% higher in 1992


lolz, crime is waaaaay down since we gave up on the War on Drugz, I guess some people just get off on the idea of incarcerating Mexicans with tattoos.


by Trolly McTrollson P

lolz, crime is waaaaay down since we gave up on the War on Drugz, I guess some people just get off on the idea of incarcerating Mexicans with tattoos.

How can this be? My mother-in-law and her boyfriend just told her 35-year-old granddaughter that it was unsafe for her to visit Boston on her own (source - FOX News). How they thought it was more unsafe than where she lives (Las Vegas) I have no idea.


by Luciom P

I think Honduras had the highest homicide rate in the world in the early 2010s.

Anyway the infographic isn't misleading, just a tad hyperbolic.

A corrected one would be "top 10", "bottom 10", but the message would be identical.

Unclear why you are so tilted by something which is quite on the right side of information, even if imprecise.

Population number are very close to correct if as for the crime rate we use 2009-2012 data.

The infographic mu

How unusually generous of you


by Didace P

How can this be? My mother-in-law and her boyfriend just told her 35-year-old granddaughter that it was unsafe for her to visit Boston on her own (source - FOX News). How they thought it was more unsafe than where she lives (Las Vegas) I have no idea.

Reality is crime statistics may be down as no one reports it anymore. Have you tried calling the police?


by Didace P

How can this be? My mother-in-law and her boyfriend just told her 35-year-old granddaughter that it was unsafe for her to visit Boston on her own (source - FOX News). How they thought it was more unsafe than where she lives (Las Vegas) I have no idea.

Have you ever met someone from Boston?

They almost universally have anger issues.


by Luciom P

The constitutionality part was always inside the libertarian model; ie IF the gvmnt can't spend money on hcare THEN you can apply libertarian principles later on. If the gvmnt spends on hcare then taxpayers have a right to decide what exactly is being covered or not and why, and delegating that to the experts who cash in that money is a way to go bankrupt.

Tell me more about majoritarian libertarianism.


by Luckbox Inc P

Have you ever met someone from Boston?

They almost universally have anger issues.

I thought they were just dumb - Source: Sam Adams' Your Cousin from Boston commercials.


by coordi P

How unusually generous of you

Nah, he just likes to be a "tad" hyperbolic and not be called a liar for it.


Maybe not at the highest levels where real money is at stake. But I have been predicting for a couple years now that the more "trans" women insist on competing in female athletics, the more at the recreational levels girls would just decide to stop competing against them. And this seems to be how things are going.


by lozen P

Reality is crime statistics may be down as no one reports it anymore. Have you tried calling the police?

Reality is you're allergic to facts. You imagine police act differently now than they did and that is malarky. Anyway, I pretty much only quote homicide stats because of this and only the biggest idiots possible could think that police and prosecutors are just ignoring homicides.


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