Israel/Palestine thread
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With how this disaster is looking to play out, i think Sinwar might end up getting murdered - and it wont be from israel or the US.
The number of suicide bombings in the world per year is about the same as the number of school shootings in the US every year. Should American's psychology be judged by that? (maybe)
ORLY?
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/a...
Hamas is using suicide bombers - IDF soldier
"Hamas is using women suicide bombers... against us," said one combat soldier • "You can't know where a Hamas 'surprise' will come from."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/daily-brie...
Day 80 – IDF finds suicide vests for kids near a Gaza school
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldie...
IDF: Soldiers kill would-be suicide bomber ‘en route’ to carry out attack in Israel
https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/ha...
Hamas and Suicide Terrorism: Multi-causal and Multi-level Approaches
Spoiler
Victor the WALL stopped the suicide bombing. Not Hamas. Rockets became the thing when the wall became a thing. Hamas still very happy to vest it up where possible. As my links very clearly show.
ofc your links are bullshit propaganda and blatant lies
lol suicide vests for children. how warped do you need to be to believe that sort of thing?
and your final link agrees with me.
ofc your links are bullshit propaganda and blatant lies
lol suicide vests for children. how warped do you need to be to believe that sort of thing?
and your final link agrees with me.
Yes Yes
Twitter always true
News always lies
All Palestinians are civilians
All Israelis are IDF
Victor at this point you don't need to remind us. We know how it works.
Victor you can't suicide vest over a wall. You can rocket over a wall. The moment the vest is useful, it's used. But since no news link is ever useful to you, we can end the discussion here.
Not a distraction from me feeling upset about anything. It's a distraction for you is what I'm saying. As long as you have college campuses to post about, you can avoid the death toll. 35k humans dead? What about what this woman on the streets of NYC said!!!!
So I'm not allowed to post about it because i only care about antisemitism to message myself ignore that people have died in a war?
You don't really think that's true
Please stop
I guess you aren't upset about the college thing but are upset about the dead gazans only. At least your consistent
some twitter is true. some news is true. unfortunately most people are not able to discern it.
regardless, there havent been any suicides attacks for years and Hamas renounced suicide bombings in 2006.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/a...
some twitter is true. some news is true. unfortunately most people are not able to discern it.
regardless, there havent been any suicides attacks for years and Hamas renounced suicide bombings in 2006.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/a...
Ahh the benevolent hamas. Good neighbors and a truly upright organization
I can't help but think if their entire reason for being wasn't to destroy the Jews next door then maybe things could be better
equal rights and freedom for Palestinians would indeed "destroy" Israel as it exists today. thats the thing with Supremacist societies. their very existence, inherency, and raison d'etre is to oppress, dominate, and subjugate the Palestinians.
People are (correctly) disgusted that slavery was only abolished 160 years ago...
Only 18 years ago is a little late to wake up to the fact that suicide bombs aren't a good thing.
To be fair, I guess it's progress though. Maybe in another 18 years people will learn that murdering concert goers is terrorism, although the fact this thread can't agree on that doesn't bode well.
lol ya suicide bombing is bad. but regular bombing of children is just fine.
if one soldier commits a war crime and murders a civilian then the whole act is terrorism. but if the IDF kills 10s of thousands of children? not terrorism!
also, it should be noted that when rafiki talks about it, he thinks its dumb rubes and children being strapped up and forced to kill themselves.
in fact it was highly motivated, committed, and disciplined ideologues fighting back in one of the only effective ways.
surely you would support some Ukrainians suiciding themselves if it meant taking out Putin right?
Im not shifting the goalposts. your comprehension is weak as always. I am pointing out that no, suicide bombing is not automatically and always bad, as you suggested.
and some civilians being intentionally killed by combatants does not make it a terrorist attack.
I am directly addressing your ideas.
I don't see anything remotely similar to that in what was posted. I'm also familiar with you determining that Russians must be stupid because they employ a strategy when I mentioned and then projecting your analysis that they're stupid onto me, so I'm doubtful.
Do you remember when you made the argument that the Ukraine war was too inhumane for Ukraine to try to resist being taken over? It's more humane than strapping suicide vests on and blowing up bus stops.
lol ya suicide bombing is bad. but regular bombing of children is just fine.
if one soldier commits a war crime and murders a civilian then the whole act is terrorism. but if the IDF kills 10s of thousands of children? not terrorism!
When you can't really defend something you just attack a position even if the other person doesn't support that position, or you just attack the person.
If anything me calling what you said shifting goalposts is too generous.
So I'm not allowed to post about it because i only care about antisemitism to message myself ignore that people have died in a war?
You don't really think that's true
Please stop
I guess you aren't upset about the college thing but are upset about the dead gazans only. At least your consistent
As far as I'm concerned you're allowed to post what you want and I'm allowed to comment on it. Unlike many posters here, I don't go whining to the mods about what people are allowed to say.
If I didn't know better, I'd think Israel and Iran are flirting with each other.
I don't see anything remotely similar to that in what was posted. I'm also familiar with you determining that Russians must be stupid because they employ a strategy when I mentioned and then projecting your analysis that they're stupid onto me, so I'm doubtful.
Do you remember when you made the argument that the Ukraine war was too inhumane for Ukraine to try to resist being taken over? It's more humane than strapping suicide vests on and bl
wat
When you can't really defend something you just attack a position even if the other person doesn't support that position, or you just attack the person.
If anything me calling what you said shifting goalposts is too generous.
comparison is the way we know the world.
Israel and Western powers can commit orders of magnitude worse atrocities and you will never call it terrorism or even criticize it a fraction as much as you will criticize the Resistance.
regardless, I directly addressed both of your misperceptions. suicide bombing not necessarily bad. Oct 7 not necessarily terrorism.
