ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
Ya, it's been awhile since I've read their history, but I think you're correct. I know even in the bombings they did, they did evacuation notices ahead of time.
Is there one left wing movement that lead w/ violence? I can name hundreds of right wing ones that lead w/ violence off the top of my head. Did the Nazi movement start w/ peaceful negations w/ people they disagreed with at any point?
And what was the purpose and intention of these mo
Certainly Marxist and Maoist groups have led with violence in some times and places.
Leftist groups around the world tend to start either in Universities or among peasants and Right-wing groups tend to start inside militaries or largely among war veterans (like the Nazis). And yeah, mostly that ends up with right-wing groups going straight to violence and left wing groups starting with unarmed protests.
Leftist groups around the world tend to start either in Universities or among peasants and Right-wing groups tend to start inside militaries or largely among war veterans (like the Nazis). And yeah, mostly that ends up with right-wing groups going straight to violence and left wing groups starting with unarmed protests.
Agreed, that's the consensus on how they start. I found this old DOJ analysis of left and right wing extremist groups in America. The abstract summarizes things pretty succinctly.
Because it's a stupid false equivalency, and everyone knows it.
Whether you're on the left or the right, everybody is capable of violence.
When you decide to use violence is important. If someone breaks into your home... do you say, "hey, I'm not a violent person, go ahead and kill me and my family." No.
Just compare the entire documented history of right-wing violence, and compare it to left wing violence. Convince me they are the same.
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Compared the documented history of violence after WW2 in first world democracies which is what I did.
There is no comparison, basically all group violence was and is leftist.
And what you call rightwing pre WW2 like fascism and Nazism was leftist as well. Rightwing: supremacy of the individual, a deep hatred of the state and the collective at most, a deep distrust normally, individual freedom is the most important value you die for.
Leftist: the collective is more important than the individual, individual freedom is a trap, you die for group consciousness, to further the aims of the group.
If you fight for the "common good" of a group you are fighting for a leftist ideal.
If you fight for your own gain, or your family and friend, and don't give a **** about a group of strangers you happened to live with, you are rightwing.
You don't do mass violence for personal gain, simple as that.
You need to be leftist to riot.
Remember the right: THERE IS NO US, there are just families
Compared the documented history of violence after WW2 in first world democracies which is what I did.
There is no comparison, basically all group violence was and is leftist.
And what you call rightwing pre WW2 like fascism and Nazism was leftist as well. Rightwing: supremacy of the individual, a deep hatred of the state and the collective at most, a deep distrust normally, individual freedom is the most important value you die for.
Leftist: t
No true Scotsman much?
Btw, all the violence I've read and understood about on the left, has always started by peaceful means. Democratic processes were exhausted, typically courts were exhausted, basically all realms of peaceful negations were exhausted before desperate people took desperate actions. It's not as if they LEAD w/ violence.
And this is again why this false equivalency matters, because it's used as another suppressive technique, and it's intentional
If I don't pay you more, you want higher wages, legal democratic process doesn't work for you to increase wages, and you start using violence against me, I don't have any boot on your neck ****ing commie.
If I disagree with your take on the environment, and the democratic process doesn't reduce emissions as much as you want, and you start blocking highways, that's simply violence.
All the left is like that. They have a political preference, the rest of society tells them "**** you", they start with the violence.
Not for collectivist riots, anti collectivist won't organize collectivist riots.
And anyway, even under "normal" identification of right and left, again, really rococo, tell me a democratic first world country where since 1946 more political violence came from the right.
USA is like 99% leftwing, only Jan 6 was right-wing. Italy was like 90-10.
Just unions + students violence is more than everything the right ever did in the streets since 1946 in all democratic first world countries.
AND YOU KNOW THAT
The only country I can think of with more rightwing violence than leftwing violence (again under normal labeling which I disagree with) is Indonesia (not really a first world country)
Yes, leftists are well known for their deep seated hatred of leftists and desire to imprison them and murder them en masse. It all makes perfect sense now.
Yes they are lol, Stalin purged leftists, it's not very uncommon for different denominations of leftists to deeply hate slightly different leftists, there is even a super famous monty python sketch about this.
The only thing a communist hates more than a fascist is a slightly different kind of communist.
Leftists killed each other's a lot over minor differences which sounds absurd but isn't: when your only competitor is another leftist, you get into a purity race because the left inherently only exists because of an enemy it has to fight. The left only purpose is to change things (compared to how "others"run things) if there is only the left, it can't exist.
Which btw is also why china had the gang of 4 and so on. Leftists massacring each others in untold numbers is the history of leftism.
Same as Mussolini which was a variant of socialist hating socialists and Goebbels claiming he was for the German volk working class not the socialists. People fighting among each others with the same framework, all leftists
Yes they are lol, Stalin purged leftists, it's not very uncommon for different denominations of leftists to deeply hate slightly different leftists, there is even a super famous monty python sketch about this.
The only thing a communist hates more than a fascist is a slightly different kind of communist.
Leftists killed each other's a lot over minor differences which sounds absurd but isn't: when your only competitor is another leftist, you g
You just described all extremism (left/right political, religious, or otherwise sectarian), which, as we've long established, you appear to think is synonymous with leftism.
You just described all extremism (left/right political, religious, or otherwise sectarian), which, as we've long established, you appear to think is synonymous with leftism.
No, Milei is kinda extremist (as was thatcher in the day) and they aren't leftists.
Collectivist violence is leftism though. You don't die for a cause if you are rightwing, if you are rightwing YOU ARE THE CAUSE, you die at most for your spouse/children.
No, Milei is kinda extremist (as was thatcher in the day) and they aren't leftists.
Collectivist violence is leftism though. You don't die for a cause if you are rightwing, if you are rightwing YOU ARE THE CAUSE, you die at most for your spouse/children.
Do you think that if you continue to repeat your invented definitions they will eventually persuade someone here?
Do you think that if you continue to repeat your invented definitions they will eventually persuade someone here?
Do you think you can name a first world democratic country where since 1946 there has been more rightwing political violence than leftwing, EVEN ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS?
It has been 3 generations of almost exclusive leftwing political violence everywhere in the first world.
You would need like 30-40 riots per year , per country, with thousands of rightwing extremists in each, for 20 years, destroying property and pillaging urban areas, to come close to even
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Do you think you can name a first world democratic country where since 1946 there has been more rightwing political violence than leftwing, EVEN ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN DEFINITIONS?
It has been 3 generations of almost exclusive leftwing political violence everywhere in the first world.
You would need like 30-40 riots per year , per country, with thousands of rightwing extremists in each, for 20 years, destroying property and pillaging urban are
Probably if I made an effort to research it, but it's completely irrelevant to my point, as I was just taking issue with your, to be kind, idiosyncratic definitions.
Good man, setting a positive example for Trump supporters the world over.
lol , ceo of the new media trump company made a complaint blaming short sellers to the crashing of the stocks !
Probably if I made an effort to research it, but it's completely irrelevant to my point, as I was just taking issue with your, to be kind, idiosyncratic definitions.
Sure as usual, my main point is that leftwing political violence was basically the only political violence since 1946, I just commented I consider that in the 20s and 30s leftist as well, AS USUAL, you totally disregard the main claim, and you only focus on the 20s-30s part, and Yoh want to claim Italian fascism, founded by a socialist which left the party exclusively over disagreement on war participation while never disagreeing on everything else, was "rightwing"a
Probably if I made an effort to research it, but it's completely irrelevant to my point, as I was just taking issue with your, to be kind, idiosyncratic definitions.
Sure as usual, my main point is that leftwing political violence was basically the only political violence since 1946, I just commented I consider that in the 20s and 30s leftist as well, AS USUAL, you totally disregard the main claim, and you only focus on the 20s-30s part, and Yoh want to claim Italian fascism, founded by a socialist which left the party exclusively over disagreement on war participation while never disagreeing on everything else, was "rightwing"
First world country ffs. First world country.
First world democracies I wrote. Canada, Australia, UK, Italy, France, USA, west Germany, you know?
FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES
Lol troll
