Israel/Palestine thread
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lie. the overwhelming consensus of credible investigations into the matter including the AP, human rights watch, channgel 4 news in the UK, the washington post, the NYT, and others, was that this was one of the many rockets of hamas & co which lands on the heads of palestinians.
Well you thought wrong. You can read the wikipedia to understand why.
From the wikipedia article:
The consensus from various independent studies of videos, images, and eyewitness reports of the explosion, its aftermath, and the blast area suggests that an errant rocket launch from within Gaza is the most probable cause. While this is not a conclusive finding, it is currently considered the likeliest explanation based on the evidence gathered in investigations conducted by the Associated Press, CNN, The Economist, The Guardian, and The Wall Street Journal.[7] Human Rights Watch stated that the available evidence made an Israeli airstrike "highly unlikely".[6] However, Forensic Architecture cast doubt on the errant rocket launch theory in a visual investigation published on 15 February 2024.[8]
I think another way of phrasing what the wikipedia article says is "the overwhelming consensus of credible investigations into the matter was that this was one of the many rockets of hamas & co which lands on the heads of palestinians."
That’s not what highly likely means jfc
What people don't realize is that if Israel wasn't fighting these terrorists over there, these terrorists would be that much closer to attacking us over here. The world should be grateful for their fight against Muslim extremism. They are keeping us all safe.
Rocking the classics from 2003
So Victor, are we to believe that:
When Hamas hit their own parking lot with a missile, and suddenly the "Hospital" death toll of 600+ hit every news outlet inside an hour, that that number didn't come from Hamas? It came from....doctors counting bodies in a hospital inside an hour, on a strike at night? You'd need a day to pull 600 from the rubble.
The simplest answer is that Hamas controls those press releases, and released that one real f
The Hamas count from Cast Lead was over 2000. It was revised to ~1400 by the UN, iirc. IDF counted 1166. The generous estimate of combatants killed is in the range of 600 and this includes police officers.
Even if the numbers are off by 40%, 20,000 people dead and 2 million displaced is still belligerent.
I'm on board and enthused about a return to the status quo.
Competently fortify against any future breech of the fence. Maintain the necessary intelligence, surveil for the next procurement of paragliders. Be inviolate for the broke-brains.
From the wikipedia article:
I think another way of phrasing what the wikipedia article says is "the overwhelming consensus of credible investigations into the matter was that this was one of the many rockets of hamas & co which lands on the heads of palestinians."
Why didn't say it was highly likely that Hamas did it then?
suggests that an errant rocket launch from within Gaza is the most probable cause.
indicate the cause of the explosion was a failed rocket launch from within Gaza by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ)
"Hamas and co" are the most likely suspects "from within Gaza".
PIJ falls under the "and co" as well as PIJ and Hamas were working in coordination here.
If it was launched from within Gaza, who do you think likely fired it?
who indicates that? also when?
it wasnt fired from Gaza. it was an Israeli air strike.
That's probably wrong. You can read the wikipedia to understand why.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_...
I don't have time at the moment to spoon feed it to you with screenshots that you will magically forget within seconds.
That's probably wrong. You can read the wikipedia to understand why.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_...
I don't have time at the moment to spoon feed it to you with screenshots that you will magically forget within seconds.
bc you are lying.
I didnt say anything about what
Israel, the United States, France, the United Kingdom, and Canada said that their intelligence sources indicate
ya no **** Israel and the USA blamed Hamas or PIJ or whoever like that means anything. and ofc you slurp that **** up bc there is nothing you love more than bootlicking imperialists.
This is your source which you decided was reliable enough information to post and refer people to. From my first post on the topic (since I knew you would respond that way to the top intelligence communities in the world):
suggests that an errant rocket launch from within Gaza is the most probable cause. While this is not a conclusive finding, it is currently considered the likeliest explanation based on the evidence gathered in investigations conducted by the Associated Press, CNN, The Economist, The Guardian, and The Wall Street Journal.[7] Human Rights Watch stated that the available evidence made an Israeli airstrike "highly unlikely".
It's also independent sources.
you leave out that Forensic Architecture debunked that and most of those sources admitted the visual evidence was bullshit.
whatever, keep going to bat for the modern day Nazis.
Instead of "debunked" your source uses "cast doubt". It's in the wikipedia article, you should read it.
When I think of Vic and the term 'cast doubt.'
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Instead of "debunked" your source uses "cast doubt". It's in the wikipedia article, you should read it.
you can read the actual article
https://forensic-architecture.org/invest...
which I have linked probably 5 times now.
I've read it. I'm guessing whoever wrote the wikipedia article read it as well since they referenced it and determined it "cast doubt on", but didn't "debunk" the other sources listed. It's worth noting that the Forensic Architecture doesn't even claim they "debunked" that it was a rocket launched from Gaza:
While what happened at al-Ahli remains inconclusive
You are now trying to debunk your own source by referencing another source mentioned in the source... I'm just pointing out that that source doesn't say what you claims it does, in fact it says more like the opposite of what you claimed it would say.
You should argue with whoever wrote the wikipedia article which you apparently deemed reliable enough to refer people to.
Acknowledge Hamas' rockets fall on their own population, while you stroke and pet this miracle of modernity lmao that the Peabody Awards program wrote had co-created ‘an entire new academic field and emergent media practice’.
Maybe one day, among their more sugary fare, they'll feature a flaccid fusillade from Hamas
I've read it. I'm guessing whoever wrote the wikipedia article read it as well since they referenced it and determined it "cast doubt on", but didn't "debunk" the other sources listed. It's worth noting that the Forensic Architecture doesn't even claim they "debunked" that it was a rocket launched from Gaza:
You are now trying to debunk your own source by referencing another source mentioned in the source... I'm just pointing out that that s
the wikipedia article is pretty incoherent.
the initial rocket from the visuals that everyone said was from the Resistance was not the rocket or bomb that hit the hospital. that was what was debunked.
but ofc its no surprise that you are in here running cover for the genocidal regime. keep siding with the modern day Nazis. shows how much your whole Ukraine pity party is bullshit.
Well you thought wrong. You can read the wikipedia to understand why.
lol
Meanwhile, at Vic headquarters
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The Hamas count from Cast Lead was over 2000. It was revised to ~1400 by the UN, iirc. IDF counted 1166. The generous estimate of combatants killed is in the range of 600 and this includes police officers.
Even if the numbers are off by 40%, 20,000 people dead and 2 million displaced is still belligerent.
You and I are not talking about the same death toll. The one Hamas revised was fighters. You are talking about civilians. Can you imagine Hamas undercounting civilians by 700% The Horror? lol why would they? And why would I use that as an argument.
I guess to add to the all IDF/all civilians, all twitter true/all news false, we also now have:
"Hamas is not an army and builds diy rockets/ Hamas rockets never fall on their own"
They are simultaneously not militarily organized and supplied, but never have missiles forged diy in tunnels fail and land on their own people.
We are truly in a time where we must suspend disbelief
