Israel/Palestine thread
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They all might as well be Hamas as far as these ghouls are concerned, and the thousands of dead children are Hamas-in-waiting so deserved to die as well.
thats really what they believe. this is a mainstream Israeli news and talk show. I didnt fathom it at first and didnt believe for awhile.
I'm going to ask you all to ponder this.
If right now there were 30,000 dead Israelis in this conflict, any combination of IDF and civilian, would you or anyone else still call this a genocide?
Same exact results on the Palestinian side otherwise.
Now be honest with yourselves, and come back with your answer. What would history call that situation?
What differentiates genocide from casualties during the course of a war is the exertion of a power imbalance removing an identity/culture/ethnicity from a location.
It's moot because there's no world in which I could ever be Gideon Falter, 'CEO' of an Israel lobby group. Just turning up to casually observe, naturally, as we all do at the weekend.
Perfectly normal behaviour, nothing to see, move along please.
So it's...the Jewish guy's fault for walking in London?
One of many bad coppers on the beat. Londoners know better than to trust them and use them only when absolutely necessary (unless it's rich Londoners we're talking about, whose property the Mets exist to protect) and have done for as long as I can remember.
Right. So as already stated, London currently isn't fine for Jews.
What differentiates war casualities from genocide is if Jews are being murdered.
Then genocide vic and jalfrezi can be happy and talk about war and ****.
What differentiates genocide from casualties during the course of a war is the exertion of a power imbalance removing an identity/culture/ethnicity from a location.
Which is what Hamas and other groups want to literally achieve, from river to the sea, eradicate Jewish presence.
Israel instead as you admitted has like 2m Arabs inside, citizens!!!!, so which identity/ethnicity/culture is Israel going to erase even if they kill 50k, or 100k, or 200k gazeans?
You can't be this naive. In fact I know you're not.
Of course he has a right to walk anywhere in London and no one's disputing that apart from a meat head copper.
He has the same right to be there during a demo as Tommy Robinson has to march through Muslim parts, and their intentions are pretty similar.
Here's Margaret Hodge, famous for accusing people left, right and centre of anti-Semitism, on this "just taking a stroll around London" guy:
genocide isnt erasure, smarty. and not all arabs are palestinian and vice versa
I'm going to ask you all to ponder this.
If right now there were 30,000 dead Israelis in this conflict, any combination of IDF and civilian, would you or anyone else still call this a genocide?
Same exact results on the Palestinian side otherwise.
Now be honest with yourselves, and come back with your answer. What would history call that situation?
Israel's 'From the River to the Sea' enemies do appear to wish genocide on Jewish Israelis and, if they launched an attack on Israel, with overwhelming military advantage, that killed that many, mainly civilians, in that short a time (even without the creation of near-famine conditions), I would say it looked suspiciously like attempted genocide.
Unfortunately, Israel's policy in Gaza could also be argued to have that look, even though the US and Israel's Arab allies are unlikely to let Israel go as far in that direction as some Israeli rightists say they would like to, at least not without severe diplomatic consequences which would leave Israel worse off.
by International Law, Gaza was occupied the whole time. this has been pointed out many times. I dont know why you keep lying about it.
I also dont know why you keep lying about the Hamas charter which says nothing about genociding the Jews.
stop lying.
River to sea means genociding the jews.
You can't be this naive. In fact I know you're not.
Of course he has a right to walk anywhere in London and no one's disputing that apart from a meat head copper.
He has the same right to be there during a demo as Tommy Robinson has to march through Muslim parts, and their intentions are pretty similar.
Here's Margaret Hodge, famous for accursing people left right and centre of anti-Semitism, on this guy:
seems like the cops were pretty professional with this guy and did well to deescalate the situation.
and it sounds like this war crime organizer has been doing this a lot.
You can't be this naive. In fact I know you're not.
Of course he has a right to walk anywhere in London and no one's disputing that apart from a meat head copper.
He has the same right to be there during a demo as Tommy Robinson has to march through Muslim parts, and their intentions are pretty similar.
Here's Margaret Hodge, famous for accusing people left, right and centre of anti-Semitism, on this "just taking a stroll around London" guy:
You appear to be disputing it from your last post which basically insinuated it was his fault, deliberately looking for a reaction etc.
Yeah he's basically been outed as Israel's Tommy Robinson minus the jail sentences.
Arabs are allowed to live in Israel freely
Israelis cannot set foot in area a or b, nor live in gaza
You appear to be disputing it from your last post which basically insinuated it was his fault, deliberately looking for a reaction etc.
It's not against the law to walk around London, looking for a reaction.
This whole debate isn't about his right to do that (everyone agrees the copper is a knuckle-headed fool) but whether him being prevented by the knuckled-headed fool makes Jewish people less safe. I think it clearly doesn't because he in no way represents Jewish people in London, being clearly an agent provocateur.
Lol
I'm going to ask you all to ponder this.
If right now there were 30,000 dead Israelis in this conflict, any combination of IDF and civilian, would you or anyone else still call this a genocide?
Same exact results on the Palestinian side otherwise.
Now be honest with yourselves, and come back with your answer. What would history call that situation?
No denying antisemites would be frothing at the mouth in rabid joy. But many would be disguisted and against it, as they are now. For a good chunk of people it is about humans and not race
So that means he can't walk wherever tf he pleases? If not then just what's your point here?
Tommy Robinson minus the jail sentences and court orders and everything else he's accumulated over years of stirring up anti-Muslim hatred up and down the country would certainly be able to walk around wherever he wants.
It's not against the law to walk around London, looking for a reaction.
This whole debate isn't about his right to do that (everyone agrees the copper is a knuckle-headed fool) but whether him being prevented by the knuckled-headed fool makes Jewish people less safe. I think it clearly doesn't because he in no way represents Jewish people in London, being clearly an agent provocateur.
The issue wasn't about being safe or not, it was about whether London was "fine" for Jews within the context of this incident. It clearly isn't. An individual copper is a state representative and his individual assessment still represents the state there and then at that moment. It doesn't matter what an individual Jew's politics are, all that matters is whether or not they can go around London being as openly Jewish as they please without a reaction. This incident shows they can't. Ergo London currently isn't fine for Jews.
