The costs of trans visibility
Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....
For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and
. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.
What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.
We need to do better.
dude, you keep shifting goal posts and using absurd nonsense
you and uke were literally putting incorrect information out there - to which i took the time to explain why it was wrong
how is that whining but not what you did whining?
you're not posting in good faith here at all
I never once shifted goalposts. But if that's how you want to end the conversation, I'm good with that.
In a normal context I would just swipe left on a trans person. I spent .1 second dealing with that issue. So what is the issue here that has you making 25 posts on the topic?
24 of those posts were refuting 24 other posts putting out intentionally wrong information saying that wasn't the case
absolutely incredulous
rick: it's a strange design that on dating apps i can exclude people by everything but whether they have a penis
fd:no you can, i just googled it
rick: yes it does, you're mistaken, here's screenshots to prove it
fd: well i found i page talking about gender identity
rick: yes you did, but that's unrelated to what we were discussing
uke: problem solved, they have a page on gender identity
cordi: isn't rick an incel anyway?
uke/fd/coordi: why is rick throwing a hissy fit about this?
Jesus... I genuinely can't understand why this is hard to grasp.
IF A TRANS MAN PUTS IN THEIR PROFILE THAT THEY ARE A BIOLOGICAL WOMAN, someone like rick, who says they only want to be matched w/ biological women, will be matched w/ a TRANS MAN.
The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they have someone who manually approves every profile on the site, or there's some AI that can 100% spot an adams apple. Outside of that... you're just going to h
again, you're larping about something to people who are in the trenches and know how it works about something you've never experienced
you are wrong, that's not how it works
Jesus... I genuinely can't understand why this is hard to grasp.
IF A TRANS MAN PUTS IN THEIR PROFILE THAT THEY ARE A WOMAN, someone like rick, who says they only want to be matched w/ biological women, will be matched w/ a TRANS MAN.
The ONLY way this can be fixed is if they have someone who manually approves every profile on the site, or there's some AI that can 100% spot an adams apple. Outside of that... you're just going to have to swip
Wow, just wow.
NO THAT IS NOT THE ONLY WAY THEY COULD FIX IT!
And you're either still misunderstanding, but I can't imagine how you could be that dense, or you are deliberately lying.
PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE THE OPTION TO IDENTIFY AS TRANS. ALL THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO FIX THE SITUATION WOULD BE A TOGGLE SWITCH FOR USERS STATING WHETHER OR NOT THEY WISH TO BE MATCHED WITH TRANS PEOPLE.
It's like you guys don't even know anything about computers, apps, websites, or any basic computer programs. I don't every remember several people claiming not to understand something so basic that has been explained over and over again.
No it is not, and he specifically addressed how and why. Openly identifying as trans still does not filter you out of the searches of people who will never be interested in you, and it is not easily noticed on your profile.
Therefore time may still be wasted before that comes out, or even (arguably) worse, trans people will get a lot of matches which soon disappear..
This is just getting ridiculous. Ok let's rephrase to "trivially solves the claimed problem from rickroll but for rare instances where someone doesn't look at the profile that labels them as trans".
Remember, this is a guy who tried to just claim I support rape because of my stance about app settings. So if you want to nitpick around the margins about BS like not noticing the declaration on the profile, maybe you should start with some bigger fish first.
I never once shifted goalposts. But if that's how you want to end the conversation, I'm good with that.
wow... you went from arguing that something which doesn't exist does indeed exists, even doubled down on that after being given evidence and having people carefully and politely explain to you the nature of why you were mistaken, and then when you gave up on that quixotic quest, you still had to be right so instead of being the bigger person and agreeing that you were mistaken or at least having the decency to just drop the subject, you decide to then switch over to personal attacks
it is mind boggling considering this is how it started
5 sec google searched showed OkCupid, and bumble had trans filters. I'm sure there are more, but I'm happily married so I don't know what's out there. 😀
Glad to be of service my friend... fear not!
that's an incredible reality distortion field you got there if you actually believe you haven't shifted any goal posts to go from that above to this
I don't even know what you're talking about honestly. I'm trying to explain why the dating app is likely positioning themselves in this manner, and explaining why it makes sense for them to do so. Not that I agree with it.
You sat in here and whined, literally whined that you weren't being read and people weren't taking the time to read and understand your position. Well.... you got a lot of attention for something that quite honestly, you s
just wild stuff
But I disagree that using the general app would be the "simplist thing" which is what you claimed.
[quote=uke_master]Wouldn't the "simple solution" be for trans women to use whatever the **** dating sites they want, just like the rest of us?[/quote]
Do you just suck at reading comprehension?
24 of those posts were refuting 24 other posts putting out intentionally wrong information saying that wasn't the case
absolutely incredulous
rick: it's a strange design that on dating apps i can exclude people by everything but whether they have a penis
fd:no you can, i just googled it
rick: yes it does, you're mistaken, here's screenshots to prove it
fd: well i found i page talking about gender identity
rick: yes you did, but that's unrelated t
Again, from the site:
You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.
What I've been saying FROM THE START, is I'm betting that some (and I don't want to get into the weeds why this is), trans gender men specify their sex as a biological woman. That's why you're seeing it in your feed.
Otherwise... again, for the umpteenth time, contact the dating app. Because they are CLAIMING something different from what you are saying. So either it's a bug... or... and this really is the point, and why this absurd conversation has gone on this long...
... it's an evil liberal conspiracy to get straight men like you to become attracted to trans men, and convert you.... (da da da)... to love dick!
Can't believe I participated in this at all. I honestly feel dirty... and I'm out.
wow... you went from arguing that something which doesn't exist does indeed exists, even doubled down on that after being given evidence and having people carefully and politely explain to you the nature of why you were mistaken, and then when you gave up on that quixotic quest, you still had to be right so instead of being the bigger person and agreeing that you were mistaken or at least having the decency to just drop the subject, you dec
Not falling for it bro... I'm a little bit smart. I know what you're doing. You can continue to claim things that didn't happen (without explaining what those things are), and say them over and over... you're just projecting at this point because you have nothing to really say, and now you're turning this ugly and unproductive. I genuinely think you're just attention seeking... and again, you got what you want, and I probably unintentionally hit a trigger, so there's nowhere to go from here.
I assure you guys that transgender people are not the reason you can't find dates.
Again, from the site:
You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.
What I've been saying FROM THE START, is I'm betting that some (and I don't want to get into the weeds why this is), trans ge
this has been repeatedly explained to you politely
you're also about to be canceled from your own side of the aisle for not understanding that non binary does not mean trans and that it is wrong to say "trans gender men specify their sex as a biological woman" the correct phrase is transgender female here
i think you honestly just don't understand the terminology and that's why you're so confused
furthermore, you're confusion over terms aside, you're still wrong
if a transfemale chooses the female option and doesn't even try to identify as a biological woman but chooses trans woman
they will go into the feed of all men looking for women
so you're wrong, and despite repeated attempts to explain to you these things, you keep on insisting that you know more about it from something you've literally never used and then when when we take the time to politely and thoroughly explain why you're incorrect and where that confusion came from you just resort to personal attacks
it's just really sad and pathetic man, not at all disappointed to hear you will be seeing your way out of the thread if this is how you interact with people
Not falling for it bro... I'm a little bit smart. I know what you're doing. You can continue to claim things that didn't happen (without explaining what those things are), and say them over and over... you're just projecting at this point because you have nothing to really say, and now you're turning this ugly and unproductive. I genuinely think you're just attention seeking... and again, you got what you want, and I probably unintentionall
stay classy
This is just getting ridiculous. Ok let's rephrase to "trivially solves the claimed problem from rickroll but for rare instances where someone doesn't look at the profile that labels them as trans".
Remember, this is a guy who tried to just claim I support rape because of my stance about app settings. So if you want to nitpick around the margins about BS like not noticing the declaration on the profile, maybe you should start with some bigg
Not by any means rare.
Funny how someone who has likely never used a dating app thinks he knows about how rare and easy things are.
And nice non sequitur about another user saying you support rape.
It is definitely getting ridiculous how you and your cohort can't just admit you were wrong about something. Not even idealogical, just about the way apps work.
Again, from the site:
You can also select the gender of the people you’d like to match with on Bumble Date. When joining Bumble, if you’re using Date mode, you’ll be taken to a screen asking you who you’d like to date. You can choose from men, women, nonbinary people, a selection of two options, or everyone on the app.
What I've been saying FROM THE START, is I'm betting that some (and I don't want to get into the weed
Dude, he's getting trans WOMEN in his feed, not trans men. This has been stated from the beginning.
🙄
There is no bug. This is exactly what the company wants, and exactly how it is explained on their website, as posted here by either you or another of your dense buddies.
Chillrob, did you figure out what those facts were that allowed you to conclude Lia Thomas transitioned in order to compete against woman in order to have a better swimming win/loss record?
In the UK, it's a criminal offence to obtain or seek to obtain sex by deception, which includes deceiving the other person as to what sex you actually are. Trans activists (who are not usually trans themselves) keep trying to get this law changed, but, as the change they want would have the effect of legalising rape in certain circumstances, it's probably not going to happen.
Chillrob, did you figure out what those facts were that allowed you to conclude Lia Thomas transitioned in order to compete against woman in order to have a better swimming win/loss record?
No, I already stated that I was taking a guess, the same as you. You never gave any backing facts for your guess either.
In the UK, it's a criminal offence to obtain or seek to obtain sex by deception, which includes deceiving the other person as to what sex you actually are. Trans activists (who are not usually trans themselves) keep trying to get this law changed, but, as the change they want would have the effect of legalising rape in certain circumstances, it's probably not going to happen.
Has this ever resulted in successful prosecutions for things like "he said he was going to marry me" or "she said she was on the pill"? Seems like a terrible law that would be impossible to enforce.
What, you don't think I have receipts? Rickroll went on an absolutely deranged rant that somehow jumped from me pointing out that bumble has an app setting letting people declare their gender to somehow, magically, being supportive of rape. Yet look at the part of the conversation you choose to chime in on:
Not by any means rare.
Funny how someone who has likely never used a dating app thinks he knows about how rare and easy things are.
It is definitely getting ridiculous how you and your cohort can't just admit you were wrong about something. Not even idealogical, just about the way apps work.
If you say so. Sure seems that being able to show in your profile that you are trans is an easy solution that would solve the majority of the issue of trans people having their time wasted by having to wait until conversation to say you are trans. Seems pretty well designed, actually!
You falsely said I claimed the simplest solution was for trans people to use a general app. I didn't. I said the simplest solution was to let trans people choose whatever app they wanted. You can disagree with that nearly tautological statement, if you must, but please don't pretend I said something I didn't.
You falsely said I claimed the simplest solution was for trans people to use a general app. I didn't. I said the simplest solution was to let trans people choose whatever app they wanted. You can disagree with that nearly tautological statement, if you must, but please don't pretend I said something I didn't.
Yes I already said I disagree with you.
Why do you spend so much time on this interpretation issue instead of trying to understand how apps work or apologizing for your ignorance and refusal to believe those with infinitely better knowledge?
What, you don't think I have receipts? Rickroll went on an absolutely deranged rant that somehow jumped from me pointing out that bumble has an app setting letting people declare their gender to somehow, magically, being supportive of rape. Yet look at the part of the conversation you choose to chime in on:
If you say so. Sure seems that being able to show in your profile that you are trans is an easy solution that would solve the majority o
Why should I have anything to do say about rape laws I haven't studied? I don't know anything about them, nor have I claimed to.
Yet you still continue to make ignorant claims about apps you have never used, even when they are directly in conflict with what those who use the apps say.
Just in case you decide to change, no, that does not solve the majority of the issue, despite how you think it seems based on your inferences from just reading a blurb on a promotional website.
