The costs of trans visibility

Fair enough, thank you for explaining. I have to adjust, slightly, what I said before then. If people aren''t even looking at profiles until after the woman makes a response then indeed the timing seems to be around when "the chat has technically begun" as opposed to what I was suggesting which was prior to that. This changes almost nothing else about the arguments around this, it still seems like the right policy on behalf of Bumble, still has relatively low friction (albeit not quite as low as I thought) and affects none of the increasingly insane rants from Rick about rapes and murders and who knows what else.

kudos to chillrob for doing a great job of just calmly explaining the minutia of how the app worked and not going on insane rants about how "you support rape" and how it is the fault of trans murder victims that they were murdered.

you still haven't answered whether or not you think that's rape nor discussed one of the primary causes of trans people getting murdered

it seems you'd rather not solve that issue because you're goal isn't anything other than cosplaying victimhood

If I haven’t discussed it, how on earth did you get to the conclusion I supported rape?

Hmmmmm

It is always projection with these guys....

The male ego is a fragile thing, and a sure way to get beat down is to go around town playing your own personal crying game. I wouldn't blame a victim who was murdered that way, but an unpredictable and often physically violent result should be expected. Cannot go around swinging your secret dong and expect it to blow over with a nod and a smile

Ya I'm totally with you, girls should "expect physical violence" if they are going to wear a miniskirt and then reject a "fragile male ego".

keep on playing the village idiot, it's been explained, I've asked several questions of you to further discuss it if you will but you'd rather play the village idiot

nice strawman, absolutely nothing similar

what they are doing is literally rape, to equate this to wearing mini skirts is insanity

uke, if they were not deceiving straight men but instead deceiving lesbians would you still not consider it rape at that point?

i think the problem you have here is you've told us all that getting intimate with a trans is your deep fantasy so you don't see what the problem could possibly be - everybody wins and uke gets a wonderful unexpected but highly desired surprise

You can pigeon hole this all you like, but in no way did I give carte blanche for male violence against women.

If I approach a group of black males and start slinging the N word around I can expect a wholesale assault-this is not an excuse nor a testimony for black violence. Much like I am not a slut shaming wife beater.

If a trans woman whips it out at the 11th hour after weeks of online chats, 3 dates and a few bottles of Australian reds, you can bet it isn't going to end well for anybody

The tapes are all up above. I made a technical point about a feature in an app. You went on a long-winded essay saying "I support rape". I haven't articulated any further position on the matter before or after.

You get how absolutely INSANE that claim is, right? Like just pure insanity to act like your forum nemesis supports rape on literally zero evidence?

lmao is this some bizarre projection? Like wtf dude. You really - really - need to take a break from the internet.

Yes, let's definitely center this conversation on the bad bad trans person doing bad bad things that they should expect get them murdered.

uke, you claimed it didn't happen, i showed you the link, nearly half of all trans who were murdered for being trans were because the dick came out at the 11th hour

you're instead trying to pretend like that isn't a thing and it's all made up

you've also 100% said that you want to sleep with trans women, thus it's understandable why you wouldn't think it's a big deal as it's a surprise you would personally enjoy

You claimed it's a better experience for trans if they can match with people who don't want to date trans and can then reveal that information at a time of their choosing.

I said that's terrible to encourage because:

A) it will lead to lots of late stage rejection which only reinforces to them that they should hide it - wait until he has a connection and can look past the penis, etc etc - if they were only matched with people who were open to it in the first place they wouldn't be getting that kind of negative reinforcement that they should hide it
B) is a form of rape
C) the root cause for why many trans are murdered

you then ignore all of that and turn it into a slut shaming argument - saying the late reveal of penis in the bedroom is the same as a woman wearing a miniskirt, which is insane

You can't be posting in good faith at this point. I'm not saying gina the lovely trans deserves to die or deserves to be violently assaulted because she slipped her pole in at the last minute. I'm saying it isn't a surprising outcome and to act like like it's some out of this world result is just daft

I knew all along it was going to be the fault of the bad trans people for trying to rape people that they got themselves murdered! Of course!! Thank you for sharing this detailed statistical analysis you did.

And you must be gullible or a moron to believe that 50% of transgender deaths stems from non-disclosure of their status on a dating site. We know from past experiences that RR research is seldom thorough or accurate and he tends to work backwards to support his ridiculous conclusions- like his recent "appeal button" debacle.

this is a wild way to misconstrue a factual statement that concealing being trans has a long history of ending in violence

you do this every time you are proven wrong, you quickly drop that subject and start to attack the credibility of the others and turn it into an emotional argument about the posters themselves and not the facts

this is why you absolutely suck and contribute nothing and are just a worthless poster

I didn't speak to the numbers or stats as I have no idea about them. But how about you go out and present your secret snake to 10 men who are about to have sex with you, and tell us how that goes. While you do that I'm going downtown to shout the N word at crowds. Now when we both come back bloodied and bruised you can blame wife beaters and I'll blame violent black people. Or maybe it's a case of play stupid games

ugh thanks for quoting it otherwise i'd have missed his lies

it may not surprise anyone but none of that is real

he won't be able to cite a single bit of research I've presented in the past that's inaccurate because I've never done that

nevermind the fact that i've already submitted my evidence, which none of them dare to touch because it confirms what I've said - they instead resort to lies and personal attacks

when you lose the argument you instead attack the credibility because they have no interest in the truth

like his smoking gun evidence for my "lies" is an "appeal button fiasco" which is just nonsense and lies and literally a 3 post exchange, hardly a fiasco

when bowser banned people he said that it was no big deal because there was a process for banned accounts to appeal the process

when i pointed out this was a lie, bowser hung onto the fact that I said "appeal button" rather than "appeal process" rather than deal with the reality that whether or not it was button, form, or process was immaterial, we weren't discussing the presence of a button and it was a paraphrasing of what he had written in the thread a month prior - we're going to miss out on some minor details but that doesn't take away that he falsely claimed that banned accounts had an appeal process available to them

i even apologized for using the word button, conceded he never said button, but that doesn't change the fact that he lied about that process existing

of course it takes a dishonest actor like jj (which is why he's on the ignore list) to try to construe that into something that it wasn't - sadly i think he's just too stupid to even be aware that the presence of a button or claim of a button is an immaterial red herring, he's arguing semantics when the actual argument was bowser was banning people and posting in the thread to those complaining about the banes that it wasn't a big deal he was banning people left and right because banned accounts could easily appeal the ban which he 100% was doing and was wholly untrue

people were discussing bowser, i mentioned that it was a big fu to people to lie that banned accounts had an appeal button available when they didn't

bowser said "i said no such thing about any button"

i quoted where he did say exactly that thing and apologized for using the word button but that doesn't change what he said - and we literally never heard from bowser again

Fyp

I agree with you that we both come back beaten and bloodied. But, go back to his complaint - he is upset that can't indicate he is not interested in being matched with or date a trans person. Think of how many hoops his imagination has to jump through to get to "I have evidence that half of trans people get murdered after having sex/raping someone and that is why this dating site needs this option."

nobody is upset you doofus, i just said it's a dumb feature that's inconsistent with the rest of their filtering options and can lead to bad things only

but keep on going for personal attacks and ignore all the facts where you got absolutely owned, I'm sure everyone will soon forget all of that and focus on how much rick was raging about online dating