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I wouldn't vote for a doggie killer.
“Cricket was a wirehair pointer, about 14 months old,” the South Dakota governor writes in a new book, adding that the dog, a female, had an “aggressive personality” and needed to be trained to be used for hunting pheasant. She includes her story about the ill-fated Cricket, she says, to illustrate her willingness, in politics as well as in South Dakota life, to do anything “difficult, messy and ugly” if it simply needs to be done.
By taking Cricket on a pheasant hunt with older dogs, Noem says, she hoped to calm the young dog down and begin to teach her how to behave. Unfortunately, Cricket ruined the hunt, going “out of her mind with excitement, chasing all those birds and having the time of her life”.
Noem describes calling Cricket, then using an electronic collar to attempt to bring her under control. Nothing worked. Then, on the way home after the hunt, as Noem stopped to talk to a local family, Cricket escaped Noem’s truck and attacked the family’s chickens, “grabb[ing] one chicken at a time, crunching it to death with one bite, then dropping it to attack another”.
Cricket the untrainable dog, Noem writes, behaved like “a trained assassin”.
Through it all, Noem says, Cricket was “the picture of pure joy”.
“I hated that dog,” Noem writes, adding that Cricket had proved herself “untrainable”, “dangerous to anyone she came in contact with” and “less than worthless … as a hunting dog”. “At that moment,” Noem says, “I realised I had to put her down.”
Noem, who also represented her state in Congress for eight years, got her gun, then led Cricket to a gravel pit. “It was not a pleasant job,” she writes, “but it had to be done. And after it was over, I realised another unpleasant job needed to be done.” Incredibly, Noem’s tale of slaughter is not finished.
Her family, she writes, also owned a male goat that was “nasty and mean”, because it had not been castrated. Furthermore, the goat smelled “disgusting, musky, rancid” and “loved to chase” Noem’s children, knocking them down and ruining their clothes.
Noem decided to kill the unnamed goat the same way she had just killed Cricket the dog. But though she “dragged him to a gravel pit”, the goat jumped as she shot and therefore survived the wound. Noem says she went back to her truck, retrieved another shell, then “hurried back to the gravel pit and put him down”.
At that point, Noem writes, she realised a construction crew had watched her kill both animals. The startled workers swiftly got back to work, she writes, only for a school bus to arrive and drop off Noem’s children. “Kennedy looked around confused,” Noem writes of her daughter, who asked: “Hey, where’s Cricket?”
Ryan Busse, the Democratic candidate for governor of Montana, said: “Anyone who has ever owned a birddog knows how disgusting, lazy and evil this is. Damn.” Noem herself posted a screengrab of the Guardian report – and an admission that she recently “put down three horses”.
genuine psychopath who really enjoys murdering ... i see why trump would pick her to be part of his political project
Incredibly, Noem’s tale of slaughter is not finished.
this is ok. but if I was the editor I would suggested something like
"Noem, having gotten the taste of blood, could not resist the urge to continue with further slaughter."
i'm only gonna comment on your last bolded "point." What is wrong with putting down three horses?
with a shotgun?
Another variety of gun at least lol I'm imagining buckshot
well I guess I was wrong and they do allow for rifle shot. but given she botched it....
utterly shocking that this person doesnt know how to handle a firearm
she actually sounds quite adept at handling a firearm
Noem decided to kill the unnamed goat the same way she had just killed Cricket the dog. But though she “dragged him to a gravel pit”, the goat jumped as she shot and therefore survived the wound. Noem says she went back to her truck, retrieved another shell, then “hurried back to the gravel pit and put him down”.
so true !!!
except for missing on the goat kill and making the poor thing suffer while onlookers watched horrified.
Justifying killing a non injured dog will never fly.
She's a c***!
I'm wondering if you can shoot her at that point.
Bitch kills an innocent dog, she might be crazy enough to kill me..why take the chance so might as well fire first.
I’m on team ‘don’t kill a 14 month old dog cuz you sucked at training it’ but I’m willing to accept I’m not someone who lives on a farm and there are different rules I probably can’t ever embrace
One thing I know to be absolutely certain is that no matter where you stand if you’re on a shortlist to be the running mate of a president who already struggles with getting people who aren’t in his base, maybe don’t mention or brag that you have the will to shoot a puppy
dogs are not farm animals.
I’m on team ‘don’t kill a 14 month old dog cuz you sucked at training it’ but I’m willing to accept I’m not someone who lives on a farm and there are different rules I probably can’t ever embrace
One thing I know to be absolutely certain is that no matter where you stand if you’re on a shortlist to be the running mate of a president who already struggles with getting people who aren’t in his base, maybe don’t mention or brag that you have th
You know I take it back, there really isn’t a defense here. If you’re sadistic enough to think killing a puppy cuz you sucked at training it makes you electable and your books should be purchased cuz you’re politically incorrect or something, man. Amazing the level of unforced errors MAGA is willing to do to themselves to trip over their dicks in a rush to remind the world you’re a shitty human being
in all seriousness, that's just kind of how things are done though, if a dog showed itself to be problematic after training, you'd put it down and try again
i seriously doubt she's bad at dog training, you don't undertake training a dog for bird hunting lightly
it's also key to the story that her dog just started killing all the neighbors chickens - if that were the situation in the suburbs and it wasn't a one off, animal control would have put the dog down as well
what she did is really no different than how dogs were used historically - which is why in a span of a few thousand years we were able to go from vicious beast to a friendly companion
even some of the breeds which still retain most of the wolf traits are a fraction of the size and power of a wolf
for her it was clearly a work dog, not a pet, she got the dog to go hunting with, that didn't pan out and the dog showed itself not suitable as a pet either
had she taken the dog to shelter, it would have stayed in a kennel for a while hoping for an adoption but over 90% of animals taken to shelters are eventually put down anyway
so i think there's a big disconnect between people who acquire dogs as pets and companions, who view them primarily as companions and would have brought in an untrainable and violent dog to the shelter where they'd be killed anyway
kind of like how many people think it's morally wrong to hunt, but still eat meat
i honestly think a lot of context is missing and she chose brevity & was speaking from a place of "obviously i'd invested hundreds of hours training her and it wasn't working out" and pretty sure the "killing my neighbors chickens and refusing to listen" was one of many examples of the dog being violent
I get all that (I mean I don’t but conceptually I kinda do), but who is your audience here? Even if the defense is this is normal in the farmland the overwhelming majority of non farmland people won’t see it that way, and a lot of that are the people in swing states you as Trump’s running mate are supposed to be courting instead of repulsing with stories they can’t and won’t ever relate to
A completely unforced error by an idiot who has no idea they’re probably supposed to hide this **** even if they, and other farmers, see nothing wrong with this that probably cost her the spot on the ticket
oh no doubt she was a complete ffing moron to put it like that in a book and even an even bigger idiot to not fully defend/explain how it got to that point
but i promise you, if you're at a redneck bar and said that story you'd just get a bunch of head nods where people would say that's a shame but had to be done and i could see how that could get her some south dakota credentials amongst the men there who may worry as a woman she may not be willing to make the tough decisions
I played in a golf tournament a couple years ago and got paired up with a couple of farmers. One of them mentioned how he recently had to put a horse down. Another guy in our group asked how expensive that is. One of the farmers said about 10 cents.
If you guys really wanna be outraged at shooting a horse to put it down read "Wild" by Cheryl Strayed.
