The costs of trans visibility

The costs of trans visibility

Yesterday, Dylan Mulvaney broke her silence: https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanmulvaney/vi....

For context, this is a trans influencer who built a 10 million strong following on TikTok. She took a brand deal with budweiser to post an ad on an instagram, and the anti-trans right went absolutely ballistic, calling for a boycott, condemning the company, and to some perhaps unknowable degree it influenced that Budweiser sales dropped by a 1/4 and

. Dylan speaks more personally about the effect of the hatred on her.

What strikes me about this story is that it is just about visibility. This isn't inclusion in sports or gender-affirming care for minors, it was just that a trans person was visible. This wasn't even visibility in a TV commerical that a poor right-winger is forced to see, it was an ad on her own instagram page. We're all in our own social media algorithm influenced bubbles, but from my vantage point it really has seemed that in the last year or so things have just gotten worse for trans people and the backlash to even minor visibility is growing.

We need to do better.

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30 June 2023 at 04:48 PM
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You did rage pretty hard


by Luckbox Inc P

You did rage pretty hard

not about the app features though 😀


by rickroll P

not about the app features though 😀


[QUOTE=also rickroll]it's not just a stupid feature, it literally normalizes sexual assault[/QUOTE]
lol.

This is the problem with saying ridiculous hyperbolic stuff like "you support rape". It's going to come back and haunt you when you try to furiously backpedal later.


uke, i would have guessed you'd be too embarrassed to continue posting by now


Lol, rick gets completely destroyed with his own words, next post tries to pretend anyone but him should be embarrassed.


uke, you've been nothing but a clown in this thread

you incorrectly argued how an app you never used functions

you stated that it's a good thing for trans to hide the fact they have a penis to dating partners

you were wrong that a huge percentage of trans who are murdered are murdered in that exact same scenario

what have you gotten right? anything?

all you do is spew ideological nonsense and when called out quickly move on to cheap personal attacks and character assassination - you're nothing but a cockroach here in these forums


Buddy, you asserted that I "supported rape" when I spoke about an app setting. You can't possibly pretend to care about "cheap personal attacks and character assassinations" when you call me that, when you call me the R word, when you call me a cockroach etc. Like if all you want to do is sling meaningless invented insults, well sure, invent away. But don't be a hypocrite about it.

And can you stop making up things I've supposed stated? I just quote you when you say something completely insane like that an app feature "literally normalizes sexual assault". That's how it is so easy to win, I just quote the ridiculous things you've said. Trying to fight that by making up things I didn't say might confuse someone not paying attention, but it's a pretty sad way to argue.


by uke_master P

I knew all along it was going to be the fault of the bad trans people for trying to rape people that they got themselves murdered!

Not sure how rapists being murdered for raping someone makes them the victim, however, if you want to increase your chances of staying alive, don't rape people.


ukes performance is absolutely incredible

This is the same thread he's been totally stumped by being asked to define what a woman is. He hasn't shown any humility or backpedaled one bit. Still holding character. It's like the director says cut and Tom Hanks spends the rest of the year as forrest gump anyways. Unstoppable

Congrats


by Luciom P

for freaking daddy, if you want to select your sexual partner on their actual genitalia, you are a monster. for every normal human being he is the monster.

when normal human beings elect a normal human being who rules that genitalia matters, after freak daddy freaks want to force you to have sex with "women with penises", that's fascism

What is with all this freak daddy business? Regular people don't talk like that. Is that something from a fascist forum?


by hole in wan P

ukes performance is absolutely incredible

This is the same thread he's been totally stumped by being asked to define what a woman is. He hasn't shown any humility or backpedaled one bit. Still holding character. It's like the director says cut and Tom Hanks spends the rest of the year as forrest gump anyways. Unstoppable

Congrats

No one is willing to play your reindeer games. Give it up, alt account.


by Elrazor P

Not sure how rapists being murdered for raping someone makes them the victim, however, if you want to increase your chances of staying alive, don't rape people.

Lol, ah yes, let's center the conversation around how trans murder victims aren't actually victims because they are rapists. Good job everyone.


by hole in wan P

ukes performance is absolutely incredible

This is the same thread he's been totally stumped by being asked to define what a woman is. He hasn't shown any humility or backpedaled one bit.

Remember when you did your Matt Walsh wannabe "what is a woman" routine and then I played along and answered your silly question and then you just ran away from the thread and never responded?


by uke_master P

Remember when you did your Matt Walsh wannabe "what is a woman" routine and then I played along and answered your silly question and then you just ran away from the thread and never responded?

Did you say they were faith based?


by uke_master P

Lol, ah yes, let's center the conversation around how trans murder victims aren't actually victims because they are rapists. Good job everyone.

Sure they are, they're the second victim in the situation though.
When crimes are committed, I hear things can escalate quickly.


by uke_master P

Remember when you did your Matt Walsh wannabe "what is a woman" routine and then I played along and answered your silly question and then you just ran away from the thread and never responded?

I read all of your responses, and I don't remember you giving a good faith definition. I'll try to look back though, and if I think your answer made any sense I'll come back with a retraction.


I think we can all agree on two points:
1. If a trans woman goes on a date with someone without revealing his trans status, he's a bad guy;
2. That doesn't mean it's okay for someone to murder him.


by microbet P

What is with all this freak daddy business? Regular people don't talk like that. Is that something from a fascist forum?

Um, he was referring to a poster in this thread who ranted in the thread on things he knew nothing about (even more than uke did).


by uke_master P

Lol, ah yes, let's center the conversation around how trans murder victims aren't actually victims because they are rapists. Good job everyone.

I didn't say anything about trans. Rape is rape. I have neither more or less sympathy for trans rapists than non-trans rapists.

If you choose to rape someone, don't expect any sympathy if you got to jail, end up being ostracised by society, or play the victim card when the person you are raping fights back.


by Jackontheturn P

I think we can all agree on two points:
1. If a trans man/woman goes on a date with someone without revealing his/her trans status, he's a bad guy/girl;
2. That doesn't mean it's okay for someone to murder they/them.

Don't forget to respect people's pronouns.


by Jackontheturn P

I think we can all agree on two points:
1. If a trans woman goes on a date with someone without revealing his trans status, he's a bad guy;
2. That doesn't mean it's okay for someone to murder him.

You'd think so, but for many in the trans movement 1) is unacceptable.


https://verdict.justia.com/2015/06/18/is...

There's a lot of other discussion that's easily found.


by chillrob P

I read all of your responses, and I don't remember you giving a good faith definition. I'll try to look back though, and if I think your answer made any sense I'll come back with a retraction.

You missed it. I give about a 0% chance the inept "what is a woman" Matt Walsh copycat routine is going to lead to any type of "good faith" conversation, but I did indeed give such a response.


by Elrazor P

I didn't say anything about trans. Rape is rape. I have neither more or less sympathy for trans rapists than non-trans rapists.

If you choose to rape someone, don't expect any sympathy if you got to jail, end up being ostracised by society, or play the victim card when the person you are raping fights back.

Lol. This is the trans thread. The discussion had a specific origin with rickroll victim blaming trans murder victims as putatively being rapists. You don't get to just pretend you are making some neutral anti-rape comment nothing to do with trans people.

This is just one more in a loooooooooooooong list of attempts by the usual folks ITT to center the conversation around the bad bad trans people doing bad bad things and getting bad bad consequences.


by uke_master P

You missed it. I give about a 0% chance the inept "what is a woman" Matt Walsh copycat routine is going to lead to any type of "good faith" conversation, but I did indeed give such a response.

I looked back many pages but couldn't find your response. Not doubting you gave one, as I remember you did, but I what I remember was basically "a woman is someone who wants to be treated as society treats biological females".

While that may have been in good faith, it's still really the same as "a woman is anyone who says they're a woman" which is circular and doesn't really define anything. No definition should be objective, not depending on what a single person says.

I don't believe women (or men) should have any special privileges at all, and in my ideal world every single thing would be unisex so the definition wouldn't matter. But if you're going to decide to give special status and benefits to certain people, it makes no sense to base those things on whatever a status a person claims to have.

I have no idea who Matt Walsh is and haven't heard anything about him, but if you're going to say "only women can do X", you certainly need a better way to determine who is a woman than just asking everyone, or the rule is completely meaningless. I honestly can't understand how anyone would think differently.


by uke_master P

Lol. This is the trans thread. The discussion had a specific origin with rickroll victim blaming trans murder victims as putatively being rapists. You don't get to just pretend you are making some neutral anti-rape comment nothing to do with trans people.

This is just one more in a loooooooooooooong list of attempts by the usual folks ITT to center the conversation around the bad bad trans people doing bad bad things and getting bad bad cons

You know, I don't generally support vigilante justice, but when it happens to someone who actually deserves it I don't feel particularly bad for the one it is used on.

When a man tries to rape a woman, and the woman fights back and kills the man, do you feel bad for the man? What punishment do you think should be legally imposed by a court on that woman who murdered the man?


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