ex-President Trump
I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?
So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:
a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?
b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?
95%+ of the potential jurors were partial and should have been stroke down because of that.
You have no basis to believe this is true.
Only the most blatant such cases were removed.
You don't know who was or was not removed for cause or why.
If as rococo thinks (and he is far better at this than me to be clear) one (or more) of them will hang the jury because they are biased pro trump I don't want to hear whining.
I didn't say that I necessarily expected a hung jury.
But in general the expectation someone who has an opinion on trump could judge this fairly is absurd, incredible, fully irrational, deeply misguided
Everyone has some kind of opinion about Trump unless they have been living in a cave. He was the POTUS for four years. It would be literally impossible to empanel a jury under your proposed standard.
You have no basis to believe this is true.
You don't know who was or was not removed for cause or why.
I didn't say that I necessarily expected a hung jury.
Everyone has some kind of opinion about Trump unless they have been living in a cave. He was the POTUS for four years. It would be literally impossible to empanel a jury under your proposed standard.
Couldn’t we say that it was trump idea to be president and trump idea to act like he did being president .
knowing how crooked he is , trump shouldn’t be surprise to have a hard time in court .
Maybe it was his idea all along , to become so controversial he hoped to be impossible to judge , trying to gain a free pass from the judicial system ?
Who know what crazy and dumb idea can come out from him ?
But in the end all of this was seeded by him anyway .
If I was a crooked, why would I bring all this light in my affairs by running for president ?
It's amazing to me that you want all manner of vigilante justice, which by definition doesn't require any standard of proof, but if a person is actually arrested, you want the burden of proof to be much, much higher than it already is.
i mean, that guy is not wrong though
he's definitely packin
Couldn’t we say that it was trump idea to be president and trump idea to act like he did being president .
knowing how crooked he is , trump shouldn’t be surprise to have a hard time in court .
Maybe it was his idea all along , to become so controversial he hoped to be impossible to judge , trying to gain a free pass from the judicial system ?
Who know what crazy and dumb idea can come out from him ?
But in the end all of this was seeded by hi
The point of running for President for Donald Trump was to get attention and to sell his products.
If you remember during his primary rallies they would sell Trump Water, Trump steaks, Trump everything. Books probably.
Mostly though its for the attention.
The other thing to note is that Donald Trump has been getting a free pass from the Justice system his whole life. By suing or being sued on a constant basis Trump was able to pay like 30% of his Atlantic City construction and redesign costs. When he went bankrupt the judge ruled he could have $400,000/month from his "bankrupt" business assets. People are always settling for less with Trump because of the time it takes to get through all of the appeals. Until Jean Carrol. Where Trump is still trying to avoid having to pay the $485 million after appeal and appeal.
He cleverly bought Mar-a-Lago for like $25 million during the bankruptcy hearings (I think it was then) so that if he lost everything they couldn't take his house (Florida law).
If you remember the 60+ election trials that Trump's lawyers filed for not once did they present any evidence of election theft. But they did publicly talk about it all the time. And now having lost all but one of those trials (the one Trump won didn't allow an extension of like 4 days for people to correct their write in ballots in Philadelphia) roughly 70% of the remaining Republican party believes the election was stolen.
It's amazing to me that you want all manner of vigilante justice, which by definition doesn't require any standard of proof, but if a person is actually arrested, you want the burden of proof to be much, much higher than it already is.
vigilante requires flagrance lol, actual violent crime being committed at that very moment.
and violent crimes are very clearly definable unlike "white collar crimes" which in many cases shouldn't exist to begin with
I know how juries are selected and I know that if it was a private individual, having a strong opinion about him before the trial started would have been ground for disqualification.
So all Pablo Escobar had to do was buy billboards all across America with his name and photo, saying "god hates America" and "my coke will kill you all", then claim he couldn't get a fair trial anywhere in the US. Ez game.
Or just maybe, we could apply common sense and say that if the defendant's own conduct caused his negative public image, tough titties, you reap what you sow.
Only the white collar crimes committed by right wing conservatives....
Oddly enough, most of the crimes Trump is accused of committing are not white collar crimes.
rudoco, why didn't you do a better job in jury selection for you client?
Going to go take a bleach bath...NSFL
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Insider trading was nominated and clearly shouldn't be a crime.
Corporate taxation crimes, accounting related crimes shouldn't exist as corporate taxation shouldnt exist.
Money laundering shouldn't be a crime unless related to financing of state enemies/terrorists, because there shouldn't be any money to launder to begin with and there wouldn't be if the state couldn't make it illegal to sell stuff people want and so on (and taxes weren't based on income to begin with)
Insider trading was nominated and clearly shouldn't be a crime.
Corporate taxation crimes, accounting related crimes shouldn't exist as corporate taxation shouldnt exist.
Money laundering shouldn't be a crime unless related to financing of state enemies/terrorists, because there shouldn't be any money to launder to begin with and there wouldn't be if the state couldn't make it illegal to sell stuff people want and so on (and taxes weren't bas
I want this guy on my next jury.
So all Pablo Escobar had to do was buy billboards all across America with his name and photo, saying "god hates America" and "my coke will kill you all", then claim he couldn't get a fair trial anywhere in the US. Ez game.
Or just maybe, we could apply common sense and say that if the defendant's own conduct caused his negative public image, tough titties, you reap what you sow.
Or maybe create the possibility of not having a jury in those cases.
Basically when it's impossible to guarantee the "impartial jury" clause of the 6th amendment , special provisions should exist to use professionals trained to be impartial.
Btw it's not only about negative image.
What I am saying includes the fact that trump might very well commit any state crime he wants in Alabama and run away with it as well, I don't think that would be acceptable either
Or maybe create the possibility of not having a jury in those cases.
Basically when it's impossible to guarantee the "impartial jury" clause of the 6th amendment , special provisions should exist to use professionals trained to be impartial.
Btw it's not only about negative image.
What I am saying includes the fact that trump might very well commit any state crime he wants in Alabama and run away with it as well, I don't think that would be ac
I actually quite like the idea of professional juries in general. Certainly seems better than entrusting life or liberty decisions to 12 people too dumb or apathetic to duck jury service.
