Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Lucy Letby might be and probably is innocent.
The brits are totally insane. Lucy Letby and Harry and the Prince are just another example of british insanity.
Tell that to your irish mates, corpus.
They didnt have a single piece of direct evidence.
She is a scape goat for the NHS failed system.
I don't know what this is doing in the mod thread but no, Lucy Letby was not innocent lol. Her own handwritten notes show this.
I would be willing to moderate the I/P thread in exchange for a Le Creuset
I hope their casseroles are better made than their plates, which chip extremely easily.
"moderating the forum to everyone's satisfaction" is obviously an incredibly silly goal and not the way any other 2p2 forum is moderated.
This place is clearly just going to continue its long backslide into reactionary right-wing dogshit. I doubt the election will change much and I don't see any of tptb developing a sense of shame any time soon.
I don't care enough to tally up but there seems to be quite a bit of left leaning people who post here regularly - chez, jal, micro, d2, vic, Mr rick, Biggerboat, Bryce, CN and both Gansta and Roc are left leaning. I mean, it was pretty much all lefties before but there seems to be at least somewhat of a even mix, atm as opposed to a decrepit shanty shack of sensitive pinko heads.
"moderating the forum to everyone's satisfaction" is obviously an incredibly silly goal and not the way any other 2p2 forum is moderated.
This place is clearly just going to continue its long backslide into reactionary right-wing dogshit. I doubt the election will change much and I don't see any of tptb developing a sense of shame any time soon.
I'd argue it's better than the echo chamber experiment that started off with everyone celebrating that they were finally free of all the reactionary right-wing dogshit, before quickly realising that they had nobody left to dogpile and turning on each other.
I don't care enough to tally up but there seems to be quite a bit of left leaning people who post here regularly - chez, jal, micro, d2, vic, Mr rick, Biggerboat, Bryce, CN and both Gansta and Roc are left leaning. I mean, it was pretty much all lefties before but there seems to be at least somewhat of a even mix, atm as opposed to a decrepit shanty shack of sensitive pinko heads.
Who are you calling left leaning? I'm just anti-Trump. Is that considered left leaning these days?
Oh, and you forgot Victor. He was so far off into the distance when you looked left, you couldn't see him.
"moderating the forum to everyone's satisfaction" is obviously an incredibly silly goal and not the way any other 2p2 forum is moderated.
This place is clearly just going to continue its long backslide into reactionary right-wing dogshit. I doubt the election will change much and I don't see any of tptb developing a sense of shame any time soon.
I never suggested that moderating the forum to everyone's satisfaction should be the goal. I was noting that it is impossible, and for that reason, any prospective moderator should expect lots of complaining about moderation. For example, you complain about every moderator of this forum. I'm sure that pattern would continue with any new moderator. And you are not alone. Several other regulars take exactly the same approach.
And opinions about how the forum should be moderated don't break along political lines. There are posters far to the left and far to the right of you who have said publicly that they want much lighter touch moderation than you want.
The first question for whoever is running the show is "What kind of a forum do you want?" A place where everyone is happy is obviously silly. A forum where adults discuss current events in the style of SE, or OOT is possible only with buy-in from mods willing to apply remedial site-wide rules (i.e., a practical impossibility). If you truly want an anything-goes zoo, why not just have that.
What we have now is kind of the worst of all worlds where some mod will occasionally censor Mirco for saying a naughty word but will gloss over the usual racist garbage that's become a hallmark of the community.
The first question for whoever is running the show is "What kind of a forum do you want?" A place where everyone is happy is obviously silly. A forum where adults discuss current events in the style of SE, or OOT is possible only with buy-in from mods willing to apply remedial site-wide rules (i.e., a practical impossibility). If you truly want an anything-goes zoo, why not just have that.
What we have now is kind of the worst of all worlds
Have you considered voting with your feet?
Who are you calling left leaning? I'm just anti-Trump. Is that considered left leaning these days?
Oh, and you forgot Victor. He was so far off into the distance when you looked left, you couldn't see him.
tbh it doesn't appear that to be the case.
I have never heard you spend a positive word toward a right-wing policy proposal in general, or right-wing politicians in the USA or Europe.
if you were an anti-trump right-wing person you would (in some random order) talk very harshly about immigration , taxation, regulations, something that the lefts wants and implements and the the right doesn't want in the same terms and implements very differently.
"moderating the forum to everyone's satisfaction" is obviously an incredibly silly goal and not the way any other 2p2 forum is moderated.
This place is clearly just going to continue its long backslide into reactionary right-wing dogshit. I doubt the election will change much and I don't see any of tptb developing a sense of shame any time soon.
I don't think you have even the vague idea what a reactionary right-wing forum looks like.
I know as I used to spend some time around those places and I quit when I was called a communist because I don't hate the federal reserve existing and many other bad words because I don't want to make it illegal for brown people to immigrate in white majority countries.
abortion debates in those forums are something like "we should leave it legal for brown and black people and illegal for whites", that's reactionary dog **** forum level, you don't even grasp it until you go into it
The first question for whoever is running the show is "What kind of a forum do you want?" A place where everyone is happy is obviously silly. A forum where adults discuss current events in the style of SE, or OOT is possible only with buy-in from mods willing to apply remedial site-wide rules (i.e., a practical impossibility). If you truly want an anything-goes zoo, why not just have that.
What we have now is kind of the worst of all worlds
Who banned micro?
tbh it doesn't appear that to be the case.
I have never heard you spend a positive word toward a right-wing policy proposal in general, or right-wing politicians in the USA or Europe.
if you were an anti-trump right-wing person you would (in some random order) talk very harshly about immigration , taxation, regulations, something that the lefts wants and implements and the the right doesn't want in the same terms and implements very differen
Have you seen me say a positive word toward a left-wing policy proposal or left-wing politicians in the USA or Europe?
I did say "censor" and not ban.
But again, what is the goal here? No moderation policy is going to work if the people in charge can't articulate that. "A place where everyone is happy" is obviously not going to work.
A rather large number of regs have done just this, I'm sort of rubbernecking at this point.
i feel like you will be a good mod most of the time but there's a non zero chance you will only become a mod to permaban mets and then retire off into the sunset
I probably wouldn’t use bans unless something extreme came up. I’m all about snacks and 5 minute breaks these days. I have a little one to think of and it’s softened me up, so you can blame her :p
I will, of course, need to be compensated though. Just one Le Creuset! A real bargain!
I don't know what this is doing in the mod thread but no, Lucy Letby was not innocent lol. Her own handwritten notes show this.
Ahaa, good that you mention the notes bc the notes mean nothing.
Ask a lawyer, they mean absolutely nothing in this case which means this case is completely botched as they pretty much leaned on this piece of bs "evidence"
Convicting someone on notes alone is illegal but they did.
You would have to convict every nurse probably on this planet if that would be the case.
She wrote she is evil she did this, which you and the court misinterpreted.
She might have said that bc it happened on her shift and she felt responsible.
Nothing else. A lot of people write notes like that, doesnt mean theyre guilty.
The case has to be re-done.
