2024 ELECTION THREAD

"in your opinion" seemed pretty clear to me, but w/e.

So nothing? Then wasn't this just an obvious bad-faith conversation from the get-go?

Hide, the bad faith police are in town.

What, I'm not allowed to put myself in someone else's shoes now to make arguments?

I thought my original post was pretty clear.

debt must be reined in for medium term considerations but that's something that will be paid down the line, currently things are actually "too good to be true" (because of the excess deficits even at low unemployment).

Really unclear why a ton of people don't feel that way as per data above.

In italy we are at record high occupation and even center-left people who hate the current government are fairly content with the economy

Lozen WAGES GREW MORE THAN INFLATION in the last 12+ months in the USA. ESPECIALLY medium-low wages.

two thirds of americans don't pay rent and their mortgage is mostly at low, fixed rates (UNLIKE canada, the normal mortgage in the USA is fixed rate for 20 or 30 years, and most people were able to finance or re-finance at rock bottom rates before recent increases).

Chip act was good. Tiktok ban was good. Ukraine aid was good. Israel aid was good.

All the above are congress but at least the admin was agreeing with that and/or helping reach those outcomes.

Admin-exclusive choices were fairly bad though, all the regulatory nonsense, the trans nonsense, the vaccine mandates and so on and on.

It's just weird to get strategy advice from someone who clearly doesn't want Biden to win. It reminds me of the Brer Rabbit stories people used to tell kids before they became problematic.

Bob the Billy Goat please 😀

Yeah it is I think for many Americans in the upper middle class and rich their doing great . Its the lower middle class and poor that are struggling. Reality is many are going to say was a i better off under Trump or Biden and vote that way .

I think the democrats have done a terrible job out on the campaign trail with the economy but when you have a cognitive declined man who can barely walk or talk its an issue . Contrasty him with Gavin Newsom speaking ....

I don't think that I could answer this question w/r/t any presidential administration. For example, if someone asked me whether I preferred withdrawing from Afghanistan to restoring U.S. membership in the Paris Agreement, I wouldn't know how to answer. Both things seem like the right move to me.

If I asked you, as between a prohibition against driving the wrong way on one-way streets and a prohibition against driving at night without your lights on, what is your favorite traffic regulation, would you really have an answer?

The question was simply "What are the things president Biden did that you like?" I feel like I could come up with something for just about any administration off the top of my head. W Bush did some good things to stop AIDS in Africa. Biden got us out of Afghanistan, etc. etc.

Keep in mind Biden is losing younger voters the ones that had a dream of owning a home and I am sure Israel isn't helping

Yet Mcdonald's is becoming unaffordable

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companie...

Fair enough. You should be able to identify things that you support. I was more commenting on rank ordering, which seems impossible.

single most positive Biden thing tbh especially given the clear alternative was the support for Ukraine

I've come to the conclusion that Biden just isn't very likeable and it doesn't matter what he does.

I think Social media fatigue is going to pop up more often in conversations in future. Its the ideas posited from the far left and right that makes for great media entertainment and good revenue and i would imagine that we eventually peak from that and people continue to tune out moving forward. Personally, id bet the under on voter turnout even with Trump running but who the hell knows.

Under of which %?

The world changed post COVID .
Get use to it cause the rest of the world is doing it .
In this new reality the U.S. are doing better then everyone .
Regardless whoever going to be president those pre pandemic prices will never come back , it’s done !
Worldwide …

Unless u wish a huge depression for lower prices which I promise you will regret instantly…

Over the course of his career, I would say the personal likeability has been perceived as one of Biden's main strengths as a politician, and lack of intellectual heft (at least as compared to Democratic contemporaries like Clinton and Obama) has been perceived as one of his main weaknesses.

But times have changed. I do not expect to see another president with high approval ratings in my lifetime. If a U.S. president ever has nominally high approval ratings in the next thirty years, it will probably be a sign that the country has slid into some sort of overtly authoritarian dystopia.

I expect a center right president could have decently high approval (55-60%), while it would be impossible for any center left one for at least a generation if not more.

plausibly, some minority , maybe woman, center right but with "manners", like a Haley if she never had to go up against Trump.

A Haley-like candidate, or a Harris-looking person with De Santis politics (but a little less cultural war focus at least in speeches), might get to 55-60% approval in 2032 or around then.

The majority of retired people don't get COLA raises on pensions. A huge majority of people with pensions that get any raises once they start a pension are former government workers.

Stock markets are a leading indicator of the economy. Go check out how the US market has done compared to international markets over the last 10+ years. Yes, we are still doing better than them, but that doesn't mean biden is doing a job - maybe he is just doing better than other countries that are doing bad.

I'm not sure where you came up with the idea I want a depression. I don't.

I didn't say biden was 100% at fault for inflation. I said Dems are a huge part of it, but many other developed countries governments made the same mistakes that the Dems pushed for - printing too much extra money for far too long, shutting down parts of the economy and throwing around govt money too much. Saying he's doing a good job because other governments did the same thing as him but did it worse is like telling your mom you shouldn't be grounded for jumping an old woman because you only punched her a couple times and your friend stomped on her head.

You keep saying I'm not critical of trump, but I've told you at least 10 times I do think trump deserves a little bit of the blame on inflation because he caved from the pressure of dems to pass policies that create inflation.

This is a very NYT kind of framing where "extremism" is like, "we should have decent HC" or "You shouldn't have to be an indentured servant to banks if you want to go to college."

I view it as 2 things. 1) the forces of corruption have totally eroded our safeguards against it. Speaking fees, lobbyists, campaign contributions, insider trading, think tanks, etc. Being a politician is no longer a path of civil service, but a way to become extravagantly wealthy. That's 3rd world stuff. You cannot have a well run gov when every single office holder is getting rich off corruption. And the US is now run like a 3rd world country.

The corruption caused by lobbyists, think tanks, corporate media, etc is more subtle, but still pretty obvious.

As a result, both parties are pretty hostile to 80-90% of the population, and perhaps 100% of the future population. Really addressing our core quality of life issues is totally off the table. To do something like the interstate hwy system today is inconceivable. See e.g. how fiercely both parties oppose the GND.

(Yes there are individuals within either party who advocate good policies but they always magically fail to get them made.)

2) As this has happened, the internet has allowed people to circumvent propaganda. An obvious example is we can see the destruction in gaza, and human faces are put to it. In 1993 all that would be glossed over.

When we relied on corporate news, if UHC came up, we'd get stories about how you had to wait 2 years to be treated for a GSW in England, where everyone paid 97% income tax because of HC. They still run these stories, but only boomers read them.

Now, there is ready access to alternative media. Or, i can just look up things like HC costs per capita. (It's easy to forget how much work it used to be to do stuff like that). Or, we can just talk to people.

I can ask my English friends online about HC and have a Tory tell me their system is pretty good and ours is insane. We also have countless first hand reports from a place like gaza. "Here is a picture of my little brother. He was shot in the head yesterday."

Whether you're right or left leaning, you really have to be stubbornly glued to corporate narratives to see people like Biden or his Republican counterparts as even slightly decent people, or think they care about you, the country or the world outside of their own circles.

Social security raises adjust with inflation .
Many fund pensions are equity based so no problem , stocks goes up .
Btw all the present debt been mostly created by baby boomers retirees , yeah the bill cone due at some point …..

That is the problem .
U believe trump caves lol .
Trump caves vs no one , even vs DOJ which explain lot of his current problem .
Trump created more debts in 4 years then Obama in8 years and Biden current administration.
Want me post the charts again?

So as usual you are dead wrong about trump having small contribution on inflation .
I mean u agree trump created too much debt but didn’t create inflation but Biden did and his responsible o0 ?
Seriously….

Yeah, and I think part of that is due to the function of confirmation bias through social media. Imo, Biden has been a pretty good president thats deserving of a higher approval but more people than before are preoccupied in their feel good feeds full of bullshit to notice.