Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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Hamas more or less functions as a mafia group that has been running the same playbook given to them by Arafat and the PLO. Create problems, and then demand bribes to temporarily settle the problems. And rinse and repeat over and over. And the world has more or less payed them off every time, so they have no incentive to change their business model.
The world needs to deal with Hamas the same way we dealt with Italian America mafia. Stop
Not sure what you expect to happen? Hamas to become large scale drug dealers?
You don't encourage people to become more moderate by bombing the **** out of them.
bruv they have a name for it and its been tossed around in this thread many times
Pallyworld
I would be very surprised if propagandists on either side were avoiding disinformation techniques.
Nevertheless, I can be highly confident that civilians and children are suffering and dying in Gaza, Ukraine, and most every other place in the world with hot military conflicts. How could it be otherwise? There are a million reasons why the use of military force is no trifling matter. The deaths of civilians and children is one of the biggest reasons.
You could make this comment about every nation. If you want to argue no land should be owned and nations shouldn't exist, that is fine. But the rest of us are living inside the magic show and are dealing with the rules put in place.
And except in very bad places like Russia, Turkey, Pakistan and China which operate on the "might makes right" principle: those rules more or less acknowledge that when millions of people have been living on
I did make that argument. All land is taken. But there's hardly a more ridiculous claim than what Britain had on Palestine in 1947. They took it by force just 30 years before that having no history or population there.
Not sure what you expect to happen? Hamas to become large scale drug dealers?
You don't encourage people to become more moderate by bombing the **** out of them.
Unfortunately, Israel is not the one unilaterally enabling and encouraging the bad behavior. The rest of the world is very complicit. If the entire world was on board with punishing Hamas bad behavior then I agree that this could be a peaceful solution.
But unfortunately, the world is complicit. They allow Hamas political leaders to live comfortably in Turkey and Qatar with zero pushback no matter how bad Hamas acts, allow Iran to arm Hamas, and allow Hamas to steal as much of the aid money as they want to build their underground tunnel terror cities and other military infrastructure. And allow them to be as horrible as they want to the people they are holding hostage (the Palestinians of Gaza) with zero pushback.
And this has been going on 20 years, and it is clear it is not working. But the world refuses to modify the incentive structure. So here we are.
Unfortunately, Israel is not the one unilaterally enabling and encouraging the bad behavior. The rest of the world is very complicit. If the entire world was on board with punishing Hamas bad behavior then I agree that this could be a peaceful solution.
But unfortunately, the world is complicit. They allow Hamas political leaders to live comfortably in Turkey and Qatar with zero pushback no matter how bad Hamas acts, allow Iran to arm H
No need for the entire world, the majority of the west would suffice. The Lulas of the world can be pro Hamas as much as they want but if the USA + some major European country are adamantly pro Israel with no ifs and buts that's enough
Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organisation in the uk
Not sure what you expect to happen? Hamas to become large scale drug dealers?
You don't encourage people to become more moderate by bombing the **** out of them.
You do encourage them to become more moderate if it's clear to them that you are bombing them because Hamas deserves bombing.
What's with this idea incentives don't matter?
I feel like the Sandy Hook alumnus you've harassed has legitimate reasons to be offended by your shtick.
Interesting you are so outraged at Luckbox on behalf of the Sandy Hook alumnus, and consistently have been for years.
Yet you are so uninterested when posters like Victor and Pointless deny 10/7 atrocities and endorse pro violence rhetoric in this thread. Almost as if you dont actually have any first principles, and are entirely ideologically driven.
This is the full documentary Sheryl Sandberg just released on the rape denial from Oct 7th. It's almost an hour long.
The New York times piece on it is also pretty wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/opini...
I'm going to try to watch the whole movie this weekend. Judging by the comments, it's going to be a difficult but necessary watch.
That's not how anyone thinks who's desperate enough to become a terrorist.
"Oh you're bombing me now? Ok, I guess I was wrong all along".
It is a 2 way street. The way the greater Arab world has behaved the last 80 years has been guaranteed to radicalize Israel against the Palestinians. No one responds well to violent rhetoric followed up by actual violence. And this is what the Arabs have been dishing out for 80 years.
This is the full documentary Sheryl Sandberg just released on the rape denial from Oct 7th. It's almost an hour long.
The New York times piece on it is also pretty wow
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/30/opini...
I'm going to try to watch the whole movie this weekend. Judging by the comments, it's going to be a difficult but necessary watch.
Sheryl Sandberg does know a lot about rape denial and covering up sex crimes
I'll watch this weekend too
let me know if Yossi Landau makes an appearance
Humanity has always had, and will always have Victors.
All we can do is share the truth and hope some people see it.
the truth is that its all made up. its a hoax. its been debunked thoroughly in all ways.
I too at one point thought there was something to these charges. but there is no evidence and they keep trotting out liars like Yossi Landau.
and whats even more disgusting is these lies are being used to exterminate 2.5 million Palestinians.
Hamas are beyond the pale, I agree. It's important to remember that terrorists don't arise out of nothing but almost always from a legitimate grievance, and the way to end the terror is usually to negotiate, so let's do that instead of demonising the Palestinian cause.
I just can't let this pass without any comment
the truth is that its all made up. its a hoax. its been debunked thoroughly in all ways.
I too at one point thought there was something to these charges. but there is no evidence and they keep trotting out liars like Yossi Landau.
and whats even more disgusting is these lies are being used to exterminate 2.5 million Palestinians.
So Trolly,
For the record you are completely outraged and indignant at Luckbox's Sandy Hook views from 15 years ago (or whenever) but mostly agnostic towards this rhetoric. Correct?
Watching this documentary under the shadow Victor casts in here is going to make it far more real than it might have otherwise been for me. That's for sure.
after you watch it, you can then watch Ali debunk the whole thing with receipts.
Who indeed?
