Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
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One of the stats studies that set this all in motion came from:
https://fathomjournal.org/statistically-...
One of the really obvious other studies showed that the deaths being reported never really lined up with military operations. The graphs could never make sense with the reality in the field. All this is now culminating in the UN realizing the extent they've been mislead. Of course, quiet quiet on that front.
no it did not. the UN guy even said they will continually revise the numbers based on what they can "absolutely confirm" and they wont know the true numbers until the conflict is over.
Trolly, dead civilians get them everything they want. Protests, arms shipment delays, bds. They'd be crazy to not want this. It's clearly working.
There is a reason they don't fight this war the way normal armies do. As undergunned as the Ukrainians are, they don't fight amongst their most vulnerable. In this case Hamas very much brings the fight where their most vulnerable are. By design. And demonstrably so. Billions in aid and no bunkers for civilians is all you need to say in that regard.
But even the White House uses the numbers today (which is the problem!). So you see the problem with anyone using them at all to prove a point. They aren't worth the paper they're written on. The dead kid numbers flaunted in this very thread were exaggerations of exaggerations. You guys were up at like 50k kids! Soon 300k dead!
We're seeing neither. We won't see either.
You guys were up at like 50k kids! Soon 300k dead!
yes this is where it is going very soon if not already there.
the UN doesn't just totally disagree, but it shows that as flat as the curve is now (a point Micro was all over), it'll be very hard to get there. The way the IDF is performing operations today makes is nearly impossible.
What's weird, again, is this is GOOD news. Or at least, it should be.
We all hope and pray for a very pinpoint mission in Rafah, with max evacuation of civilians.
Where will they be evacuated to?
Not sure (I've seen map locations, I've never been/seen these places). But the big issue right now is the Egyptians have opted to stop sending aid. It's definitely one way to freeze things. Pretty bold "bluff" if it is one. I think the Israelis have to take it seriously though.
Hamas attacked Kerem Shalon (aid) crossing FOUR times recently and the Egyptians won't use their aid route. So suddenly the flow of aid gets very dicey. How the flow of aid got dicey is pretty spicy though.
it would be very good news if every single other bit of information didnt indicate it was wrong
If you find yourself having a pro israeli poster bias, what will happen? Seems odd that you threaten some posters but not others.
I guess you have two options; keep posting the way you are, or you can try and find your biases and adjust for them
terrorists? Surely israel has many more terrorists than Palestine. What do you call ex IDF soldiers who are killing palestinians?
People that support genocide and or the wanton killing of innocents are monsters for it.
and with what resources can they evacuate?
is Egypt able to send aid? they dont control the crossing anymore. Israel broke international law and their treaty with Egypt to take over the Rafah crossing.
I call them terrorists because that's what our collective governments have designated them as. That's the main reason I use the term. Well that and what happened on Oct 7th.
They could. They have decided not to. They have "halted deliveries". They are refusing to coordinate aid now.
What's the definition you are using for terrorist? uhh what governments do you take orders from? Its amazing to me people dont realize how many Americans have allegiances to isreal, and how many of those people spy for israel against the US as well.
gee, cant imagine why
Btw sorry for the lazy ask, but I missed all the excitement about the new modding standards.
What's the grunch/coles version for in here? A post someone can bump or summarize? Thank you!
Victor's response was also not acceptable, and was deleted. Just relax, friend. You'll be fine. 😀
For Rafiki
those questions are only supposed to be asked and answered via PM. You have two options, you can ask questions via PM or you can take a little break
thats what I was told anyway
I took option 3
haha I see a lot of our goose friend in there. Seems like good rules. Needed to happen.
this post is racist. It is targeting Palestinians. How do I discuss this with the thread without getting a timeout?
Its racist for the brown people to be terrorists but the white people killing more people in worse ways are not held to the same standard.
for the ignorant
Its racist for the indigenous people to be terrorists but the colonizers killing more people in worse ways are not held to the same standard
PW, you are allowed to argue that the terrorist designation is racist, while we remember that Rafiki did not coin that term.
I have to think Hamas being an internationally recognized terrorist organization isn't too contentious. A coalition of 35 countries in just the Americas, call them terrorists. In Europe you have ample countries doing the same. Also Japan, Australia, etc
I'm not really being outrageous with this one.
ok but why is he using it? he did use the word, and type it out, unless someone else did that for him