Israel/Palestine thread
Think this merits its own thread...
Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
AM YISRAEL CHAI.
[QUOTE=Crossnerd]Edit: RULES FOR THIS THREAD
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PW, I realize its going to take some time to adjust, and if you need anything else I am here to help 😀
Btw can I just say that this thread is a fascinating representation of the conflict.
If you remove the ability of people to label pro-Israel people as "genocide lovers" or "baby killers", and the conversation has to steer/stick to facts and civility, the dialogue changes very fast. That's been my experience in all places I've had these discussions. And let's recognize the same of our Goosie buddy who was going overboard in the other directi
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do you think innocent people killed is a good measure of how awful something is
Crossnerd,
I hope you have some kind of script to make these posts. Otherwise you're going to burn out very fast.
Look at me, sympathizing with my oppressors/mods. Smh.
PW, I realize its going to take some time to adjust, and if you need anything else I am here to help 😀
I dont think you understand the rules that you put forth. Its possible you dont understand racism that well which is why I asked. I am hopefully you will do some learning and perhaps in the future you will be able to better appreciate the rules you said you will be enforcing.
Crossnerd,
I hope you have some kind of script to make these posts. Otherwise you're going to burn out very fast.
Look at me, sympathizing with my oppressors/mods. Smh.
Aw, there's my buddy. 😀
We're just setting expectations early so hopefully the thread requires less supervision in the future.
right, calling one side terrorists and not the other means the posts he makes are racist.
nobody is forcing him to call palestinians racist. It doesnt matter if half the world thinks hes right, he can still be racist.
I wasnt saying he is racist or he isnt, I was calling his posts racist which you specifically said would not be allowed.
I am just calling internationally recognized terrorists, terrorists. I think this is just one we chalk up as the customs and parlance of our times.
I definitely won't make broad sweeping characterizations of Gazans at all. And I think this is where we want to be with this thread (ditto of Israelis fwiw, as we've seen in here before).
And btw I don't even think all the terrorists are bad dudes. Some were definitely brainwashed (as kids) or worse. I think the ones among them who raped women or kidnapped babies (according to the UN) are probably the really bad guys. But I bet a lot of them are just there because it pays, or some other circumstance. And btw I bet there are bad dudes in the IDF too.
With destruction of 2/3 housing stock, all the schools, all the universities, all the civic buildings, all the hospitals, we don't need exact numbers to know it's a willful massacre of civilians by the most moral army in the world.
I dont think you understand the rules that you put forth. Its possible you dont understand racism that well which is why I asked. I am hopefully you will do some learning and perhaps in the future you will be able to better appreciate the rules you said you will be enforcing.
If you want to PM me with more of your thoughts, I will consider your arguments.
I dont think you understand the rules that you put forth. Its possible you dont understand racism that well which is why I asked. I am hopefully you will do some learning and perhaps in the future you will be able to better appreciate the rules you said you will be enforcing.
I was thinking he understands racism pretty well actually. At least so far. And to do so without pay is the most impressive part. He volunteers for this.
I am just calling internationally recognized terrorists, terrorists. I think this is just one we chalk up as the customs and parlance of our times.
I definitely won't make broad sweeping characterizations of Gazans at all. And I think this is where we want to be with this thread (ditto of Israelis fwiw, as we've seen in here before).
And btw I don't even think all the terrorists are bad dudes. Some were definitely brainwashed (as kids) or w
like I said, youre using racist terms and youre saying its ok cause other people do it. Terrorism is a made up term that the people in power use to prevent the people without power from resisting.
You never call israel terrorists (cite?) yet you know they kill 10x the amount of innocent people that palestine ever has or will
why is that? why dont you also call Israel terrorists? they are internationally recognized as a terrorist ethno state engaging in genocide against an indigenous nation.
like I said, youre using racist terms and youre saying its ok cause other people do it. Terrorism is a made up term that the people in power use to prevent the people without power from resisting.
You never call israel terrorists (cite?) yet you know they kill 10x the amount of innocent people that palestine ever has or will
why is that? why dont you also call Israel terrorists? they are internationally recognized as a terrorist ethno state
Israel is a member state of the UN. To my knowledge no member state of the UN is a "terrorist organization". It would be quite difficult for a whole country to be a terrorist organization.
It is however not that difficult for a few thousand terrorists, to be terrorists. And that's what Hamas is. There were 30k of them, now we figure half that. Again this isn't Gaza. This is Hamas. Israel will have free and fair elections soon for their next government. Hamas will influence/run Gaza (by force) until they are removed.
Btw Hamas are not a race. They are tiny minority of Gazans, who wage armed conflict. The Palestinians as a race (all over the world), I have absolutely no comment on.
Israel is a member state of the UN. To my knowledge no member state of the UN is a "terrorist organization". It would be quite difficult for a whole country to be a terrorist organization.
It is however not that difficult for a few thousand terrorists, to be terrorists. And that's what Hamas is. There were 30k of them, now we figure half that. Again this isn't Gaza. This is Hamas. Israel will have free and fair elections soon for their next
Or double it. We'll see.
Just in case, I'll be explicit. There may well be more Hamas militants now, or in the near future, than there were on Oct 6th. Hamas' position in the WB may be much stronger and also the Muslim Brotherhood's position in Egypt.
Israel could get expelled SOON
due to it violating Geneva Conventions.
For unplugging babies from incubators.
Not UN worthy at all. Ban them.
Where is the problem with separating babies and women from men of military age??? Does anyone get that? They could bomb men all they want but not women and babies.
Ukraine could do it. Every idiot could do it. But not Israel.
Send Women to the north or whereevr and then not bomb them. Easy
Where is the problem with separating babies and women from men of military age??? Does anyone get that? They could bomb men all they want but not women and babies.
Ukraine could do it. Every idiot could do it. But not Israel.
Send Women to the north or whereevr and then not bomb them. Easy
It's because gender isn't real.
Ok what about children and Infants?
Age isn't real either.
Nothing is real.
And nothing to get hung about.
Strawberry fields forever.
