Ukraine-Russia War Take 2
Here is what the preliminary take on the Ukraine thread disappearing is:
The site was hit with a massive spam attack where hundreds of spam threads were created. In the case where, for example, I see a single spam thread and delete it, that is called a soft delete, and mods can still see them but forum members cannot. Those deletion can be undone.
When a massive attack hits with hundreds of threads, an admin uses a different procedure where the hundreds of spam threads are merged and then hard deleted, where the threads are gone, and no note is left behind. As I have mentioned with my own experience of just soft deleting a large number of posts, sometimes a post or thread gets checked or merged accidentally and is deleted by mistake. Dealing with hundreds of spam threads takes a sledgehammer, not a scalpel.
It appears that our Ukraine thread may have gotten caught up in that recent net of spam threads. If so, it is likely gone for good. I cant say this for sure, and am awaiting comments from admins on this issue. Yes, this sucks. And hopefully there was some other software glitch that caused the disappearance, and we may recover it in the future.
But in the meantime, I have created this new Ukraine-Russia War thread to enable the conversation to continue. Obviously continuity with earlier discussions will be lost. There is no way around that. So as best as possible, let's pick up the conversation with recent events and go from there.
If you have any questions about this, please post them in the mod thread, not here. Let's keep this thread going with posts about the war, not the disappearance of the old thread.
Thanks.
so is this the new line from the West?
https://nypost.com/2024/05/09/opinion/do...
the far right did shoot people but those far right snipers were actually pro-Putin infiltrators and spies?
Putin proposed to appoint Belousov as the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation, the Soviet Fed reported
They get money for views so they put up things they think people want to see. that's why you should not get news from such sources see denys davydov the draft dodger. pro russians do it too like history legends. its a sad world we live in where all news is biased because they make money by appealing to a certain side not actually telling the truth
Russian President Vladimir Putin is set to replace his long-standing ally Sergei Shoigu as defence minister, the Kremlin has announced.
The 68-year-old has been in the role since 2012 and is to be appointed the head of Russia's Security Council.
weird timing right before a likely offensive and opening a new front
i considered it very immoral when Russia did it, and it still is when Ukraine does it.
using prisoners to increase the number of soldiers is the bottom low
i considered it very immoral when Russia did it, and it still is when Ukraine does it.
using prisoners to increase the number of soldiers is the bottom low
no one mentioned it in this thread but due to the recent conscription bill, foreign embassies are no longer giving refugees the required documentation to remain out of country. so a lot of people are going to either become illegal in foreign countries or go back to Ukraine to be canon fodder. truly horrific stuff.
no one mentioned it in this thread but due to the recent conscription bill, foreign embassies are no longer giving refugees the required documentation to remain out of country. so a lot of people are going to either become illegal in foreign countries or go back to Ukraine to be canon fodder. truly horrific stuff.
in Italy we accept whatever thing that you are Ukrainian and allow you to stay afaik, at least for now
IDK I can think of way worse things than recruiting prisoners that are closer to the "bottom low": invading a country, raping, murdering, kidnapping children.
Hell directly related to recruitment there's forcing non prisoners into cannon fodder units (actual cannon fodder units, not propaganda), luring impoverished then coercing them to fight, and brainwashing children of your imperialist conquests to fight.
Just my opinion.
thats good but still those people will be ripe for exploitation and I would imagine that Italy will be forced to change that policy given the position of the USA and the EU.
EU policy is to disregard some Ukrainian excesses, which is why it's not like we sent male Ukrainians age 18-60 back even if it was illegal for them to exit the country since what march 2022?
Georgia passes controversial ‘foreign agents’ bill despite widespread opposition
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/14/europ...
Great pic of the Nazis attempting to coup their democratic government. (Nazis are on the right.)
good. get wrekt EU.
Protestors shouldn't be allowed to block a city from working normally in a democracy, not sure what the antidemocratic part is here unless we want to claim an absurd right of a minority to violently occupy streets in a democracy because they dislike what the democratically elected parliament does, which is literally the opposite of what democracy is about.
If georgians really dislike this law enough, they will vote different people next election that get rid of this law, i truly don't understand how the violent protesting and blocking of traffic in the city can be justified.
It is not a minority, look at the size of these. This is not a democracy anymore (good chance the last election was rigged too), it is a corrupt institution that is doing away with democracy. Whether or not they were democratically elected originally does not matter.
This is it, their government just voted away democracy. There are no more future elections, only shows.
It is not a minority, look at the size of these. This is not a democracy anymore, it is a corrupt institution that is doing away with democracy. Whether or not they were democratically elected originally does not matter.
This is it, their government just voted away democracy. There are no more future elections, only shows.
I don’t think democracy means no corruption
Democracy means people get to vote.
Has nothing to do with corruption imo
ok, address the other half of that: "that is doing away with democracy"
It is not a minority, look at the size of these. This is not a democracy anymore, it is a corrupt institution that is doing away with democracy. Whether or not they were democratically elected originally does not matter.
This is it, their government just voted away democracy. There are no more future elections, only shows.
Literally as elected representative they can vote any law which is constitutional and that would be democratic no matter what people think of any constitutional law passed.
It is still democracy if you or anyone else dislike the passed laws as long as they don't violate basic democratic rights which aren't violated in restricting acceptance of foreign funds. As foreign donors have no automatic rights to anything in a normal country to begin with.
The USA has complicated laws for foreign agents (FARA) and that's fully compatible with democracy and it would be even if those laws were made much more strict. It's illegal for any non american to donate for federal elections for example, and that's still democratic.
Absurd to claim that limiting foreign funds influence "votes away democracy", what's the link between the 2?
There are going to be elections in october this year in Georgia and i don't see how the law that just passed will make those elections "just for show".
If they want and can make those elections fake ones by rigging the voting process, they can without that law that doesn't help them in any way achieve that, and viceversa.
No, not at all.
Having a foreign power (an autocracy no less!), coerce your government to do his bidding is not democratic, even if the government was originally elected democratically.
Having NGOs in the country to verify that democracy was upheld fairly is a big deal towards having legitimate elections, especially in this area of the world. Almost all NGOs have more than 20% foreign funding and are now foreign agents (because they promote democracy). The people ensuring democracy are now people beholden to Putin.
