ex-President Trump

ex-President Trump

I assume it's still acceptable to have a Trump thread in a Politics forum?

So this is an obvious lie - basically aimed at low-info Boomers like my religions aunts. I have two questions:

a) Is anyone here who supports Trump bothered by lies like this?

b) Does anyone know what he's even talking about here? Like is there some grain of truth that he's embellishing on bigly?

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28 April 2019 at 04:18 AM
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by Trolly McTrollson P

There's nothing shaky about it, he very clearly falsified business records to hide the illegal use of campaign funds. The DA isn't going to go after a presidential candidate without being extremely sure of their case.

The use wasn't illegal , the campaign can pay people to sign an NDA that the campaign thinks benefits the candidate.

They falsified business records for the payment to be unknown to people reading the business record, to keep the event as secret as possible


by Trolly McTrollson P

There's nothing shaky about it, he very clearly falsified business records to hide the illegal use of campaign funds.

Isn't it election interference? And I thought it was personal funds.


by Didace P

Isn't it election interference? And I thought it was personal funds.

I also don't understand how he can be convicted for a crime that requires other crime(s) to be a crime, without having been convicted of the other crime(s)


by Didace P

Isn't it election interference? And I thought it was personal funds.

I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe he was paying her off with his own money.

by Luciom P

I also don't understand how he can be convicted for a crime that requires other crime(s) to be a crime, without having been convicted of the other crime(s)

This case is going to confuse you in many ways, but the long and short of it is you can't use campaign funds on hush money to porn stars without disclosing it to the FEC.


by Trolly McTrollson P

I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe he was paying her off with his own money.

This case is going to confuse you in many ways, but the long and short of it is you can't use campaign funds on hush money to porn stars without disclosing it to the FEC.

This isn't a violation of federal laws rather of NYS laws, so the FEC can't surely be part of the picture at all


by Luciom P

This isn't a violation of federal laws rather of NYS laws, so the FEC can't surely be part of the picture at all

Again, NY state is charging him with falsifying business records. I think Bragg and the feds are handling the federal charges.


by Trolly McTrollson P

Again, NY state is charging him with falsifying business records. I think Bragg and the feds are handling the federal charges.

Again, falsifying business records in NYS is a crime ONLY IF DONE to further or conceal another actual crime, OTHERWISE it is just a misdemeanor.

And it is Bragg prosecuting Trump for falsifying business records in the first degree (the crime).

But in order to do so he needs other crimes. So the charges are that Trump falsified business records to hide the payment to Daniels *to interfere with the 2016 presidential elections*

And there are no federal charges linked to this: Trump has been indicted in 2 federal cases, one is the mar a lago documents one, the other is the 2020 attempt to overthrow election results. Nothing about 2016.


by Trolly McTrollson P

I've got a bridge to sell you if you believe he was paying her off with his own money.

From Cohen's testimony today - "He clarified that it was not technically the Trump Organization or Trump’s campaign that reimbursed him for the Daniels hush money payment, but a Trump revocable trust or Trump personally." Link.


by Luciom P

Again, falsifying business records in NYS is a crime ONLY IF DONE to further or conceal another actual crime, OTHERWISE it is just a misdemeanor.

And it is Bragg prosecuting Trump for falsifying business records in the first degree (the crime).

But in order to do so he needs other crimes. So the charges are that Trump falsified business records to hide the payment to Daniels *to interfere with the 2016 presidential elections*

And there are no

by Didace P

From Cohen's testimony today - "He clarified that it was not technically the Trump Organization or Trump’s campaign that reimbursed him for the Daniels hush money payment, but a Trump revocable trust or Trump personally." Link.

It sounds like you have nothing to worry about and the case will implode spectacularly.


“Did you intend for it to be misleading?” prosecutor Susan Hoffinger asked the witness.

“Yes, ma’am,” Cohen said. “In order protect Mr. Trump.”


Don't include me with anything Luciom.

For the record, I hope he's convicted.


I keep hearing (from Trump, so maybe this is all nonsense) that he allegedly falsified the business records by labeling the payment as a legal expense. If he wanted to do it legally, how should it have been documented?

And to not have been in violation of other law, would he just have had to file these payments with the FEC?


by ganstaman P

I keep hearing (from Trump, so maybe this is all nonsense) that he allegedly falsified the business records by labeling the payment as a legal expense. If he wanted to do it legally, how should it have been documented?

And to not have been in violation of other law, would he just have had to file these payments with the FEC?

I think maybe? Mind you, publicly disclosing your hush money payments to the FEC kind of defeats the purpose of hush money.


by ganstaman P

I keep hearing (from Trump, so maybe this is all nonsense) that he allegedly falsified the business records by labeling the payment as a legal expense. If he wanted to do it legally, how should it have been documented?

And to not have been in violation of other law, would he just have had to file these payments with the FEC?

He labelled it a legal expense because he gave the money to Cohen , which was the original maker of the payment.

If he wanted to do it legally he should have given the money directly to Daniels to begin with.


absolute ****ing mind-blowingly dumb to use campaign funds for hush money. i just cant grasp why anyone would do that unless you dont have the money to begin with


by Luciom P

yes the other crime purportedly would be election interference which is quite absurd, it isn't election interference to try to keep some private event a secret

You should tell that to all the Hunter's laptop guys.


by ganstaman P

I keep hearing (from Trump, so maybe this is all nonsense) that he allegedly falsified the business records by labeling the payment as a legal expense. If he wanted to do it legally, how should it have been documented?

Personal services?


It’s amazing how many mistake trump makes with his finances…
Wasn’t he suppose to be a genius in investing and finance ?
Should we really trust him with the U.S. government finances ?


by Montrealcorp P

It’s amazing how many mistake trump makes with his finances…
Wasn’t he suppose to be a genius in investing and finance ?
Should we really trust him with the U.S. government finances ?

He's a genius about not paying his bills and getting away with it.


Trump is turning to GOP allies, whom he’s described as his
“surrogates,” to peddle the talking points that he can’t say publicly.

Andrew Rice saw Trump “editing” and “making notations”
to quotes his partisan allies were poised to make to reporters.

Tommy Tuberville admitted Tuesday that “one of the reasons” for his
appearance and comments was “to overcome this gag order” imposed on Trump.
"And that’s one of the reasons we went — is to be able to speak our piece for President Trump,”

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show...


Trump has found a way to dodge the gag order, once again,
all but daring the judge overseeing the trial to punish him.

The gag order also bars Trump from “directing others” to throw the verbal bombs he’s
prevented from tossing, delivering the words that their higher authority cannot by himself.

“I do have a lot of surrogates, and they are speaking very beautifully,”
Trump said Tuesday when asked whether he was telling his supporters to speak out on his behalf.

Trump has a way of making his wishes known without anything so crude as a direct order.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opin...


by steamraise P

Trump has found a way to dodge the gag order, once again,
all but daring the judge overseeing the trial to punish him.

The gag order also bars Trump from “directing others” to throw the verbal bombs he’s
prevented from tossing, delivering the words that their higher authority cannot by himself.

“I do have a lot of surrogates, and they are speaking very beautifully,”
Trump said Tuesday when asked whether he was telling his supporters to speak

January 6th

« Fight like hell » at the end of his speech .

But that wasn’t met literally because I use the world peacefully 1 hour earlier lol…


by steamraise P

Trump has found a way to dodge the gag order, once again,
all but daring the judge overseeing the trial to punish him.

The gag order also bars Trump from “directing others” to throw the verbal bombs he’s
prevented from tossing, delivering the words that their higher authority cannot by himself.

“I do have a lot of surrogates, and they are speaking very beautifully,”
Trump said Tuesday when asked whether he was telling his supporters to speak

He's had a lifetime of practice. It is how he has avoided incarceration for so long.


by steamraise P

Trump's plans for a second term: Raise prices on everything

With polls showing that inflation remains a top concern among voters,
the presumptive Republican nominee has somehow put together a campaign
platform featuring multiple proposals that would raise prices on everything

Lesson No. 1: Tariffs lead to higher prices
Lesson No. 2: Low interest rates lead to higher prices
Lesson No. 3: Tax cuts can lead to higher prices
Lesson No. 4: Fewer work

Why would a weaker dollar lead to higher prices?


by PointlessWords P

Why would a weaker dollar lead to higher prices?

Simple division math ?


by PointlessWords P

Why would a weaker dollar lead to higher prices?

Imports will cost more.

There will also be more exports so less supply in the US.


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