Israel/Palestine thread
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Maybe for a while but even that is being really quite hopeful. Particularly as the enemies are not just hamas while the radicalisation is far more widespread. Add losing so much international support and the only part of this that makes any sense is that netanyahu has no better option for himself than war. It's extremely dangerous that that will remain true.
Israel already has a lot of enemies and hamas and
their coherts have for quite a while wanted to and have attempted to wipe them off the map. The hate meter is already maxed out for a lot of them. My assumption is that israel just wants to hamstring where they can.
I also dont think israel us losing very much international suppprt, at least militarily, if they have a credible threat to losing it all.
Lol
Israel already has a lot of enemies and hamas and their coherts have for quite a while wanted to and have attempted to wipe them off the map. The hate meter is already maxed out for a lot of them. My assumption is that israel just wants to hamstring where they can.
I also dont think israel us losing veruly much international suppprt, at least militarily, if they have a credible threat losing it all.
We're going to strongly dissagree if you think this isn't strongly boosting radicalisation. Support for extremist action/groups will increase and voices of moderation will be subdued.
Ditto on international support. So many warning signs and eventually it matters. I could link so much but here's what google found first and may serve as an indication of the scale oif the problem.
New data shared with TIME from the business intelligence company Morning Consult shows that support for Israel around the world has dropped significantly since the war in Gaza began.
Net favorability—the percentage of people viewing Israel positively after subtracting the percentage viewing it negatively—dropped globally by an average of 18.5 percentage points between September and December, decreasing in 42 out of the 43 countries polled.
China, South Africa, Brazil, and several other countries in Latin America all went from viewing Israel positively to negatively. And many rich countries that already had net negative views of Israel—including Japan, South Korea, and the U.K.—saw steep declines. Net favorability in Japan went from -39.9 to -62.0; in South Korea from-5.5 to -47.8; and in the U.K. from -17.1 to -29.8.
clearly, this^
its called exponential growth.
There is a gap between thinking negatively of what israel is doing and aiding an attack on israel.
[URL="https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/14/has-the-un-really-said-fewer-people-were-killed-by-israel-in-gaza"]"Did the UN really say Israel has killed fewer people in Gaza?
Changes in how the UN calculates Gaza’s casualties have been cited as evidence of bias. They aren’t."[/URL]
There is a gap between thinking negatively of what israel is doing and aiding an attack on israel.
There's a lot of people with a wide range of attitudes. For some the gap is very bridgable and such a big shift against israel means a lot more extremists and a lot more people sympathetic to those extremists.
Palestinians should be more reasonable. Attack a people non stop for 80 years and tell them you are going to wipe them off the Earth, and they are going to become radicalized against you.
You appear not to have noticed that this is precisely what Israelis have done to Palestinians, and that this is why Palestinians are radicalised against them.
There is a gap between thinking negatively of what israel is doing and aiding an attack on israel.
That’s not how blowback works. Especially not in the Middle East. The US knows this well. I know it well. You should know it well
Israel doesn’t know it and hopefully never does.
This is the main reason the US wants Israeli outta Rafa; it’s too likely a jihad is waged in response. Jihad. In the Middle East. Against European Jews. It’s the crusades all over again. Jerusalem is even “at stake” for both sides
Jesus Christ
That’s not how blowback works. Especially not in the Middle East. The US knows this well. I know it well. You should know it well
Israel doesn’t know it and hopefully never does.
This is the main reason the US wants Israeli outta Rafa; it’s too likely a jihad is waged in response. Jihad. In the Middle East. Against European Jews. It’s the crusades all over again. Jerusalem is even “at stake” for both sides
Jesus Christ
Well i would certainly disagree that its the usas main reason wanting israel out of rafah. Youre free to make the case that the epic long game is brewing - as well as the military might to do it but im currently not seeing anything on the horizon - as well as ehat history has shown.
Ok not main reason but it is one of their main reasons. We don’t want to rile up the Middle East and then have to come bailout Israel when we are really trying to focus on reintegrating Iran into western society
theres so many videos of resistance attacks today. Hamas looks as strong as ever.
running out in front of 6 tanks. this is like a movie.
not graphic really but just in case!
Bro why are the tanks not surrounded by infantry lmao
If I didn’t care about Palestinians I woulda gone over and helped. Clearly they need it. And they pay well
Bro why are the tanks not surrounded by infantry lmao
If I didn’t care about Palestinians I woulda gone over and helped. Clearly they need it. And they pay well
actually, couldnt believe that single Israeli soldier guy was alongside the tank in this vid. literally the first time I had seen that.
its well known that their doctrine does not allow infrantry coordination with tanks.
I mean, they still havent figured out not to stand right in front of windows
GAZA is a concentration camp
Can you be at war with a concentration camp??
concentration camp
noun
A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect.
A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.
A camp where large numbers of persons—such as political prisoners, prisoners of war, refugees—are detained for the purpose of concentrating them in one place
Yes Hamas should resign to end the camp
