Israel/Palestine thread

What part of my assertion was ridiculous?

Yeah, because it's the one my tax dollars are supporting. The slaughter is being done in my name and I have an obligation to speak my mind.

The Germans and Italians had some Nazi ties, but of course we don't ascribe sinister genetic animus to white people the way we do with Arabs so we accept that what some folks' grandparents were up to isn't worth a tinker's damn in 2024.

But Trolly they're finding Mein Kampf in Hamas safe houses when they leave in a hurry. AND they hate Jews about as much as anyone does.
Lastly, Hamas just killed the most Jews in one day since....Hitler.

So respectfully, your Italian story doesn't hold up in this case.

Your tax dollars are directly or indirectly involved in many "slaughters," including 10/7. You should check out which side we support in Sudan (the Arab militias ethnically cleansing blacks in case you were wondering, which happen to be the same guys opposing Houthi/Iran adventurism).

The Germans and Italians forsook fascism after WWII, and embraced liberalism. The Arabs doubled down on fascism and many then recently pivoted to Islamism, which is kind of the same thing except with throwing in religious fanaticism. The problem isn't just bad decision that were made 100-80 years ago, the problem is subsequent generations just keep doubling down.

This is something Richard Hanania writes about a lot, as he admits it is personal to him. As an Arab who can clearly see liberalism and individualism provide superior outcomes compared to collectivism and fascism, he is interested why literally no Arab nation has come to the same conclusion, regardless of how bad the outcomes have been. And he acknowledges the problem isn't Islam per se, as Arab Christians in the 20th century were probably more enthusiastic of Naziism and fascism as Muslims.

lol mein kampf. its truly amazing the lengths the West will go to offload the holocaust on the Palestinians. legit Orwellian.

And yet you are the biggest Putin cheerleader in this forum, who is literally committing genocide, and using "fighting Naziism" as a bad faith rationale for it.

FWIW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties...
"the number of Jewish people who died in the attacks is variously estimated at between 270 and 400"

Hmm, wtc (at least at that time) was less Jewish by percentage than Manhattan generally.

supporting a cease fire and an end to hostilities is considered pro-Putin by typical libs. like I said, Orwellian.

anyway, nobody in Gaza is reading some dumb book on 1930s Germany. have some self respect.

more Jews were killed in the Argentina dirty wars

but I think you could probably guess which side Israel was on for this conflict

I wonder if these subs are correct. I also wonder if Israels just believe anything, like anything at all.

If a cease fire included Ukraine to back down to Russia's takeover and demands then that would be peak putin support. Supporting the idea of of cease fire that included russia packing up and gtfo wouldn't be

well, the ironic thing is that they are much closer to being Putins puppet than ever before.

https://breachmedia.ca/cbc-whitewashed-i...

Do you support the UNs processes when it comes to the occupied territories?

So you think it would have been better if the southern colonies were independent and therefore had slavery for much longer?

More slanderous bullshit. You can't tacitly accuse people of anti-semitism when they're saying they think that Jewish people should have been given a safe place in the US. But you do you.

The fact is your beloved but revolting country has become Apartheid in most regards but name - probably worse in fact.

I am not sure forum rules allow you to call any democratic country revolting no matter how much you dislike some of the choices of that country

And even if this is true, they are still the shining diamond in a giant pile of coal for that part of the world.

Iran is in theory a democracy. So is Gaza. Democracy by itself isn't enough. Without liberal norms, democracies quickly become totalitarian collectivist states with no individual liberties or freedoms.

Gaza didn't have a vote in like what, 18 years?

Israel is reporting they have already found 50 smuggling tunnels going from Rafah into Egypt. Probably just the tip of the iceberg. As I said before, at its core the insurgency is a business, and by taking over the border crossing Israel is ****ing with the business; which is upsetting the Arabs way more than Palestinian's dying. Getting the smuggling tunnels back might actually be the impetus that gets the Sunni Arab states to finally work to get rid of Hamas.

Also, Israel is reporting that they are getting information that a lot of the hostages, including many Thai farmers, are dead and probably have been since 10/7. There is probably a reason Hamas has so steadfastly refused to confirm the live hostages, because there are a lot less than believed, and probably have been since the jump.

If there has one thing that has become evident with the liberal experiment of third world nation building, is that when you have "democracy" without any liberal norms to go with it, this should be expected.

Notice Kuwait just suspended their Parliament, and threw at least one member in jail, and there wasn't a single murmur about it from the liberal world. At this point we just accept that given the social and political norms of this part of the world (with the exception of Israel), the best you can hope for is a theocratic dictatorship where at least the dictator cares about having a functional state. And any democracy thrown in will probably yield much worse results.

I thought they gave back all the Thai hostages in Nov.