2024 ELECTION THREAD
The next presidential race will be here soon! Please see current Bovada odds. Thoughts?
We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.
This is basically going to be like if George Washington was running against Abe Lincoln.
We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.
you jest but im looking at what dems and repubs can trot out there and WOWWW has the last 5-6 years or so in politics been super bleak for candidates. legit as of right now who are the dems and repubs best chances if neither trump or biden wantd to run?
im sure newsome would be edge favorite for dems but m lost as to what the repubs could do.
also in a ai vacuum i wonder how romeny stacks up running against trump or biden I assume hes a pretty big fav against either
you jest but im looking at what dems and repubs can trot out there and WOWWW has the last 5-6 years or so in politics been super bleak for candidates. legit as of right now who are the dems and repubs best chances if neither trump or biden wantd to run?
im sure newsome would be edge favorite for dems but m lost as to what the repubs could do.
also in a ai vacuum i wonder how romeny stacks up running against trump or biden I assume hes a prett
For a little while there was the idea that 2024, could have been Newsom v De Santis, which at least on paper would have made sense given the radical differences in managing COVID to begin with, and the difference in political ethos between California and Florida
For a little while there was the idea that 2024, could have been Newsom v De Santis, which at least on paper would have made sense given the radical differences in managing COVID to begin with, and the difference in political ethos between California and Florida
forgot about desantis.
one think i wil say about newsome is that, hes a great politician, doesnt have any steadfast beliefs ive seen him change his stances on numerous thinks since covid while ron has been pretty steadfast
I gues it will be haley v desantis next repub run and newsome vs the field.
forgot about desantis.
one think i wil say about newsome is that, hes a great politician, doesnt have any steadfast beliefs ive seen him change his stances on numerous thinks since covid while ron has been pretty steadfast
I gues it will be haley v desantis next repub run and newsome vs the field.
I didn't forget how in the few weeks when RDS was considered the possible republican nominee, democrats started claiming he was as bad as Trump if not worse (as a reminder that democrats consider the entire republican policy platform illegitimate, it's not about Trump, Trump is an excuse).
yeah desantis still took a hardline abortion ban but then changed it to 9 weeks and then last debate said he doesn't believe in abortion where trump in the last 3 months said its up to states. I took the signal as trumps team saying he needs to have some more moderate social views due to how they got slaughtered in elections due to dying on the abortions hill for no reason
yeah desantis still took a hardline abortion ban but then changed it to 9 weeks and then last debate said he doesn't believe in abortion where trump in the last 3 months said its up to states. I took the signal as trumps team saying he needs to have some more moderate social views due to how they got slaughtered in elections due to dying on the abortions hill for no reason
Everyone knows GOP loses votes with abortion talk, problem is that's true everywhere EXCEPT in republican primaries, so they have to talk about it anyway in primary season (i am talking congressional primaries).
Idea if they are smart is they all pivot to positions much closer to the median voter in their area closer to the election, but not all of them are smart, and a few actually do believe their abortion stances, and good ads from opponents can **** with them in say october, showing what they said about abortion in march and stuff like that.
But this isn't too dissimilar to some democrats who have to claim extremist things like a willing to pay for healthcare for aliens, or open border positions, and so on to win primaries.
I’m extremely apathetic about this election, mainly because the two parties in this country are so close ideologically and in policy. Sure, there are some differences, but my day to day hasn’t been affected by who is president over the past 20 years. I can’t imagine this one being different - despite the personalities involved being such opposites
This is nonsense. The GOP have gone out of their way to proclaim anyone who isn't straight, white, and Christian their enemy. This hatred has resulted directly from the MAGA movement as previously these thoughts were unspoken or only used dog whistles. Now there's legislation: https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_..., and women and doctors fleeing parts of the country thanks to abortion being outlawed.
If you know a woman or doctor in a conservative state, a Muslim, or a LGBTQ person, presidential politics has directly affected you. I would like to see a free America where the government stays out of citizens lives. Women, doctors, any religion, and any minority should have a fair shot. Not only rich, straight, white Christians who MAGA caters to.
it's interesting how legislation to protect minors from trans issues is labeled "LGBTQ", when afaik the GOP didn't pass anything against homosexuals in any state. It's all about trans-ness, not homosexuals, and those are a very very small fraction of the population.
I wonder why radical leftists want to claim that homosexuals have it worse if gender isn't discussed in third grade, or if minors can't get puberty blockers, or if boys can't compete with girls in sports.
Everyone knows GOP loses votes with abortion talk, problem is that's true everywhere EXCEPT in republican primaries, so they have to talk about it anyway in primary season (i am talking congressional primaries).
Idea if they are smart is they all pivot to positions much closer to the median voter in their area closer to the election, but not all of them are smart, and a few actually do believe their abortion stances, and good ads from oppone
Nikki haley doing that caused her to poll better than any candidate in either Party in a national poll but not enough to make it to Super Tuesday in the primary
To be clear LBGTQ refers to queer or humans with nontraditional sexual orientations -- or something like that. Some people here want to be clear the GOP only legislate against transgender; that's false. GOP is explicitly legislating against the concept of trans existence and hundreds other government intrusions related to sex and gender. They're using policy to hurt people with the goal of using that hatred to capture a segment of voters because they need enemies and it's not socially acceptable to legislate against gay people anymore.
To be clear in most cases that is patently false and not what the gop is doing
What's false?
GOP in past has created legislation to harm non heterosexuals.
GOP is currently working on legislation to harm non heterosexuals.
GOP is legislating against the concept of transgender. Continually defining in law sex as male or female only. To the best of my understanding, somewhere on the order of .1% of humans are born intersex. Given that, these laws are wrong by definition.
GOP is also in the process of creating a lot of laws to criminalize or erase non-hetero sexual life choices.
It's maybe an opinion that GOP needs enemies or out groups to demonize and attack, but I believe what I see. And the patterns keep happening they pick a minority group and spew hate. Now it's trans and immigrants. Tomorrow it can be you.
None of that is true as a general statement of what the gop is doing
At all
What is the gop doing? I don't see anything from them except bowing down to their commandant. They have ZERO policy. Don't say border because they could have passed legislation but chose not to because daddy told them.
And, this has been the case for quite some time.
What is the gop doing? I don't see anything from them except bowing down to their commandant. They have ZERO policy. Don't say border because they could have passed legislation but chose not to because daddy told them.
And, this has been the case for quite some time.
Right now I'm just responding to his generalization.
Abortion isn't part of this conversation about lgbtq aaaand the gop laws
Trying to protect sis women from having to compete against biological males is not anti lgbtq legislation
I've conceded that there are some far right Republicans who have passed or tried to pass actual anti lgbtq legislation, but that is not representative of the entire GOP
Abortion isn't part of this conversation about lgbtq aaaand the gop laws
Trying to protect sis women from having to compete against biological males is not anti lgbtq legislation
I've conceded that there are some far right Republicans who have passed or tried to pass actual anti lgbtq legislation, but that is not representative of the entire GOP
Of course women and medical professionals are part of the people dealing with the fallout from antihuman GOP legislation.
The ACLU shows the legislation per state. 48 of the 515 bills are related to sports. The other 91% are about punishing non hetero folks in various ways.
The only real solution to sports is to do away with segregation and have open competitions. It's hard to conceive of anything else.
What is the gop doing? I don't see anything from them except bowing down to their commandant. They have ZERO policy. Don't say border because they could have passed legislation but chose not to because daddy told them.
And, this has been the case for quite some time.
I know you know you are lying.
Banning DEI horrors in universities? Protecting minors from mutilation predicated on abusive Marxist gender ideology? Reducing regulations in all aspects of society?
I mean man we can't go one time discussing project 2025 is bad, and the other you claiming they have no policy
To be clear LBGTQ refers to queer or humans with nontraditional sexual orientations -- or something like that. Some people here want to be clear the GOP only legislate against transgender; that's false. GOP is explicitly legislating against the concept of trans existence and hundreds other government intrusions related to sex and gender. They're using policy to hurt people with the goal of using that hatred to capture a segment of voters be
To be clear "pro trans" legislation often severely negatively impact homosexuals so please just ****ing stop to mix the two at all?
Do you think lesbian women are happy with men thinking they are women suing lesbian associations because they deny access to biological men?
Or do you think a lesbian swimmer is happy with Lia Thomas? Or a lesbian in prison, happy to be at risk of pregnancy through rape because people with actual dicks are jailed with her?
Legislation to curb pro trans excesses is PRO WOMEN basically, and that includes lesbian women
Of course women and medical professionals are part of the people dealing with the fallout from antihuman GOP legislation.
The ACLU shows the legislation per state. 48 of the 515 bills are related to sports. The other 91% are about punishing non hetero folks in various ways.
The only real solution to sports is to do away with segregation and have open competitions. It's hard to conceive of anything else.
Can you list what is punishing homosexuals? Because you are claiming that, the **** Is that letter soup?
List how many punish homosexuals.
The rear about trans is about protecting women and minors, no punishment to trans. Trans can go to bathrooms, do sports and so on like everyone else, according to their biological sex.
There is no right being denied , as there is no right to "gender identity".
This is nonsense. The GOP have gone out of their way to proclaim anyone who isn't straight, white, and Christian their enemy. This hatred has resulted directly from the MAGA movement as previously these thoughts were unspoken or only used dog whistles. Now there's legislation: https://www.aclu.org/legislative-attacks..., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_..., and women and doctors fleeing parts of the country
I’m talking about actual policies that have far ranging impact, not proclamations and rhetoric. I don’t feel that MAGA caters to the rich either - it fancies itself more of a populist movement afaik
We’re really lucky to live in 2024, where this election year the two greatest presidents in American history are BOTH running against each other. An unprecedented wealth of leadership and talent avaiable to the American voter.
It's kinda more depressing that there is a 3rd party candidate polling pretty well, and it is this dips--- nut who has name recognition from his dad.
The GOP and DNC have all kinds of mechanisms to make sure that their nominees are horrible. A 3rd party candidate could be just about anyone. And this is the dude we're rallying behind.
