Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
I mean KS did what he did and we have no clue if he has even been reading the IP thread since you took it over, and Gangsta has admitted that he has been looking for any excuse to ban Victor. Those aren't the sort of mods that you should be thankful for and deferring to.
I'm not gonna get into this with you as CN asked to move on but this isn't accurate. What Gansta actually said was:
Victor was an awful poster who made every thread worse. I was waiting for one bad enough post to just ban him, but I never felt any one was over the line enough. In totality, though, he definitely hindered real discussion.
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That's not looking for any excuse and if anything shows fairness and impartiality despite probable personal annoyance.
I'm not gonna get into this with you as CN asked to move on but this isn't accurate. What Gansta actually said was:
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That's not looking for any excuse and if anything shows fairness and impartiality despite probable personal annoyance.
You can be insufferable at times you know but yes, what he said there was that he was looking for an excuse. If you want to argue that he was looking for a good excuse then ok.
Nah we'll have to agree to disagree etc. An excuse is just that, he was looking for violations which were banworthy but didn't find any ,and as I said I'm not getting into it with you, people can read what Gansta wrote and draw their own conclusions.
Better late than never.
Ok he wasn't looking for an excuse to ban him. He was just actively reading his posts looking for one bad enough to be able to ban him and get away with it. That's not looking for an excuse though.
A violation is a violation. Banning someone for it isn't an excuse, it's adhering to forum policy as a mod.
A violation is a violation. Banning someone for it isn't an excuse, it's adhering to forum policy as a mod.
Do we need to consult the dictionary entry for 'excuse'? I was hoping that getting into with you entailed no dictionaries and so I'll abstain. But I can assure you that you would be proven wrong.
Don't you think Vic posts an absolute ton of content in the I/P thread? I don't know what he posted in the Ukraine thread but it would have to have been voluminous filth to be four times worse than mets ban worthy posts.
Reeks of mod bias (not you).
The only "content" he posts are the pictures and videos of people getting killed, which he was asked to stop.
The thread will be pretty dead without him and to help make that one of those self-fulfilling prophesy things, I'll stay out of it until he's back.
Basically, "Ofc I do't support Putin or Russia BUT[/b]" *slavishly defends and makes endless excuses for Putin denies Russian atrocities, regurgitates Russian propaganda insists it's all the west and AmeriKKKa's fault*
BGP: *debunks and refutes everything vic says.*
Vic: " Ah BUT[/b]" * repeats same talking points later on in thread despite having said points debunked.*
Very difficult to have a proper discussion with such a poster.
I'm not really for banning anyone, but if you put a gun to my head and made me choose a reg to ban, Victor would be a no brainer. His posting is terrible and has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. I'm sure that saying this makes me a liberal or something.
I'm not into bans myself and I personally periodically stick him on ig, but otoh it's of absolutely no surprise to me either that he got a ban, he's just rage bait, the equivalent of a twitter feed.
Well I disagree with what you're saying because I know Vic's stance, and it's not dissimilar to mine and others who are in no way shape or form Putin apologists. But let's' not get into that here.
He really did have a habit of dodging questions, repeating already objectively debunked claims and stanning for Vlad in that thread, you can check yourself. In a weird way it reminded me of debating with Amanda Knox groupies- they'd make a bunch of false claims, you'd debunk them and they'd simply repeat the same bs and it just came across as spam and that's how it went in the Ukraine thread. But as you said best not to get into that here, we'll agree to disagree.
Okay, I'm going to ask that everyone stop now with dissecting and shading each others' posting personalities. I don't mean this in such a way as to shut down discussion in an authoritarian way, and I'm sorry if anyone takes it that way, but it doesn't feel right to me that everyone is discussing someone who cannot respond.
The ruling has been made, and that's the end of it. Please stop piling on people who aren't here. This goes for everyone, not just Victor. We're a community. This negativity and shittiness amongst us does nothing for anyone.
All the threads are open. Go forth, besties ♥
The use of the term "bloodlust" will not longer be permissible when describing EITHER SIDE and will be moderated as Islamophobia/Antisemitism from this point forward
Ok.
How should this be moderated?
If I'm alerted to it or if I see it, I'll ask that posters not make personal implications about each others' characters. If it happens continuously and gratuitously, the timeouts escalate. That's how I've been trying to do it, and it works best when posters collaborate with me.
Ok, but some of us, well me certainly and possibly a couple of others, will never report posts to you because it feels like snitching on a neighbour to the police. I guess this is my fault.
Normally I like Idris Elba as an actor, but he's just wasted in Cats. Not even remotely convincing as MaCavity.
Ok, but some of us, well me certainly and possibly a couple of others, will never report posts to you because I feel like it's snitching on a neighbour to the police. I guess this is my fault.
I'm not the police. I'm gentle handed and look for ways to minimize punitive punishments. I'm communicative and I respond to PMs thoroughly and respectfully. I use my time here thoughtfully, and I'm flexible in my corrections, as I know I'm also a human and fallible. I want to cooperate and collaborate and build good things together. You should consider PMing me. ♥
Thanks CN, and I would PM you but I really really didn't want you to ban or even warn someone because then I'd be an accomplice to what I see are draconian and unnecessary rules (for all the reasons I've stated), and a stinking hypocrite to boot.
But as I said, I appreciate you trying to keep this forum and that thread in particular going and the hard spot you find yourself in wrt other mods.
