[WPN] Americas Cardroom, BCP, TruePoker Ex-Official Discussion Thread

There’s no bots in them yet. They are profitable, but like anything you play on ACR winrate will be low. I’m going to fire some of these tonight alongside my typical OD/Hypers life.

The AoF spins on BetOnline was a good concept, but they had a terrible slow structure, but these AoF games have a great structure which is what I’m excited about.

With these games only existing for about 24-48 hours I mixed in 30 of these with my regular games and they are pretty tough. However most of the ones I played were 3 regs vs a random. I never came across any maniac Shoving 100% or a super nit folding 90%. Soooo compared to AoF on BetOnline these are fairly tough. I think pretty much everyone will be losing or BE with RB at the end of the day.

The one thing that irked my nerve was the Fold/Allin buttons never going away. So unless I’m using Jurojin I’d never know when it’s my turn to act without putting my full focus on that one game ��

Oh, I didn't realize they were new! It seems like the edge would be a little too small with 5% rake? I think they would be great for trying to grind the rakeback rewards since the games should go fast when they are filling. I am definitely interested to see if they can be even slightly profitable pre-rakeback.

Yeah, unfortunately they are probably a losing game on ACR. Everyone seemed to play solid and all edges to be had are not there in AoF.

How do i paste into the ACR cashier to withdraw. I only withdraw once every few months and i forgot

nvm figured it out

anyone know what happened to the sit and goes on ACR? They seem to have gotten rid of all non turbos and 9 handed games.

Some more feedback regarding SNG changes.

Players per table
Reducing tables to 8max doesn't make sense for SNGs.
OD tables are hardly played at full capacity in the first place and this change makes average play even shorter handed. This is especially true for PLO8 ODs where current fields are only around 20.

As for STTs this basically just chops away prize money and gives it a bit of a DON vibe.


OD min players
Raising min players from 6 to 8 might be a real problem for smaller field ODs like PLO8 to kick off.


More importantly: ODs & MTT lobby
The relaunch last year has hit ODs hard. Before the relaunch ODs in Late Registration stage were shown in the MTT lobby by default so they were presented to a much wider audience. By making sure only Late Reg ODs were shown, they would fit in the lobby seamlessly and players could jump right in.

Since the relaunch ODs are no longer shown in the MTT lobby by default. As most people don't change the default setting they'll miss out. And even if they were, the new style is to show ODs of all stages which would make them clog up the whole MTT lobby.

Bring back the old behavior

I just don’t understand why they added 6max Hyper ODs. I fired one just to play 1 and it was pretty miserable. Most of the time you were just playing 4 handed, which is absolutely terrible when you have 9 other tables going on a laptop.

PLEASE add some PLO tables with 100bb min buyin, preferably with an ante of around 0.25bb but without is fine.

The sheer volume of russian/other min buying rakeback slaves table spamming/acc sharing 12+ hours a day for the leaderboards is insane. Some of them are legitimately ratholing off of around 60-80bb stacks. It's absolutely abysmal for games. Short stacking is absolutely disgusting in PLO. I legitimately try to start 3/6 tables only to be met with at least half of the instajoins being 40bb rakeback/leaderboard slaves who either don't sleep or share accounts for the beast. Please touch grass.

And yes, I'm more than aware the inherent "advantage" of being short in this game. It's not even that significant on paper but I guess when you're all capped at winning 2bb/100, the 1bb/100 or so advantage you get being short when the table is deep is massive, huh.

I support this and I don’t play these stakes.

I don't play here much anymore since I stopped trying to keep my no rathole stack going, so I don't know the current state of games, but I do read this thread to try and stay up to date...

I like your idea of making 100bb tables with an ante. I have a very old idea I've tried to get done at any poker site that WPN seems to have come frustrating close to actually doing. When WPN first came out with their version of fast fold poker the buy-in was smaller. But there were rathole players abusing it and players were complaining so WPN raised the minimum buy-in. WPN came so damn close to getting it right and maybe changing the industry forever. I'm not sure, but I think fast fold is now some funky 80bb - 120bb buy-in. They had the damn chance when they changed things to make the buy-in 100bb minimum and 100bb maximum. Huge opportunity to change the perception of buy-ins forever across the whole online poker landscape. Furthermore, since that variant of poker is often called fast FOLD poker, adding an ante to the game worth fighting for makes folding too often a mistake thereby fixing some of the nittiness of that variant. And I will go even further because in the few instances where there are 'full" or "deep" games on any poker site, if you observe a table, then you see usually half the table is below the initial buy in because they are not topping up. Fix this crap forever. Make a "full ante" table with forced top up. And forced top up is a thing. I was watching a YouTube video of GG Poker cash "all in or fold" and it looks like a forced top up players every hand. I don't know if it is run hard core style where it boots you from the game if your bankroll goes below the force top up amount or it lets you stay and play down the last of your bankroll. So what would be cool on WPN even if as an experiment on the PLO fast fold poker tables since they don't run much anyway would be to take a stake and make it...

100bb minimum, 100bb maximum, .25bb ante with a force top up to 100.25 bb every hand and after everyone posts their ante you are looking at every single player with a 100bb+ stack.

Sure, sites if they're smart want games to play as short as possible. It condenses the winrates closer to zero and creates fewer situations of players having very high winrates and crushing and net withdrawing harder. Take GG, the most predatory site on the planet. Why do you think the cash games allow for 10bb buyins?

It's not for the players' benefit. It never is.

Is it fair game for these morons to spam tables with their b/e pre-rb short stack plo nit ratholing and make a living off of rb and bonuses from whatever low cost of living place they live in?

Yes.

Does it still completely aids up the games?

Also yes.

So many of these people would rather spam volume with a "safe, boring, easy" way to play that has your winrate so close to zero than have a wide range of "you could be worse than your opponents but you could also genuinely try to get very good and win a ton" It's incredibly weak and just creates absolute aids enviornments.

But again, I can't control them. I just wish there were tables with 100bb min at all times so that the game actually happens to a degree.

Agree, there are some rathole abusers there too which is extra ugly. There's even a method to INSANELY abuse ignitions' system to the point where it shouldn't be allowed. I've refrained from sharing it solely because I know people would abuse it to all end and it would cripple games if enough people did it. On paper, it appears to be worth about 6bb/100 for free

i sent you a pm

I am looking at the last week results for the Sit N Crush leaderboard. Any idea why the number of points needed to cash in any of the tiers is WAAYYY lower than usual?

Looking at it again, I realize the site didn't load correctly and it was showing me the results for so far this week. I was so confused.

I'm really ****ing exhausted with the Russians and Eastern Europeans colluding in the PLO/PLO8 tourneys on this site. AJ72, luckyfisherman77, DukaLoncic77, EdwardNorton7, LadyMercedes, MuadDib777, SuperPicasso, DzenloO4i, UncleAces, 13win13, JustNoPain, IamRazzACr, GoldMoon, FAL1st, and on and on.

I don't think I've witnessed a single all-in where they're ever ahead. It's always some sort of miracle gutshot three outer with a complete garbage hand or runner runner full house with one of their live cards or something else completely nonsensical. It's to the point with players like JustNoPain that I'm 99% convinced they're paid Nagy shills who are planted in the ecosystem to comb money away from it.

Does anyone else have any experiences to share?

I dont play pot limit tournament, actually I don't play any type of tournaments, I do play only cash games nl, 7stud hilo, pot limit and pot limit8 as well, and I play everyday against the ones you named. some reviews:
DzenloO4i is a total killer, every day he wins big pots - multiple pots he basically always scoop. If he raises before the flop I fold even I have a good hand because every time he raises 9 out of 10 he scoop: straight or flush or full.
13win13 super aggressive with all the A2 A3 A4 A5, you can trap him you just have to have a little patience.
LadyMercedes not a champion at all.
IamRazzACr like above, plays mainly 7 stud hilo 2-4 and 4-8. superaggressive and stays until the end with a pair of 8s for the high
GoldMoon I've always seen him play omaha hi lo limit 3-6 5-10 10-20 15-30. never at pot limit games. he is okay, sometimes he starts playing all the hands he raised like a maniac, even garbage hands.
Ghost13 he play only omaha hi lo limit and 7 stud hi lo. good solid and lucky.
mo42 pot limit games. aggressive and good.

and then there are the players from Bulgaria, who are solid aggressive and lucky.

if it is true that there are many eastern europe players who are really good and lucky, it is also true that there are many Usa and Canada players who are equally good and lucky.
skill and luck are not limited to certain countries.

So you're basically saying that DzenloO4i is a superuser of some sort. You realise that's almost impossible, right?

I'm not some sort of WPN defender or anything, I haven't played a hand on there since 2016 I'm pretty sure, and the reason I don't play there now is because I don't trust the site much, but assuming that there's superusers is pretty insane.

I never wrote that word, why do you say that?

a called him "total killer" what does it mean: he play only the good omaha hi lo starting hand a234, a235 and so on. raise before the flop with those hands or call a raise.
so is a good player. and almost all the time it is him and 3 others players who with that flop are commited to call all in until the river and almost always he scoop or wins 3/4 of the pot.

there are many players like this, good and even lucky.
the important thing is to understand it in time when you find them at your table.

In sport, it comes to mind the Real Madrid they are very strong but also lucky in decisive moments of the match.

People lose track too much, and worst of all, they apparently want to indicate that some countries make users luckier?

I'm sure then that the luck concentrated in Eastern Europe is the same as that lacking in Latin America, I'm going to move quickly to Eastern Europe.

However, it's not just the Russians, because the tables are also full of good and lucky American and Canadian players.

and as the wise man said: fortune favors the bold.
so stay bold, stay foolish 😃