Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
Victor was an awful poster who made every thread worse. I was waiting for one bad enough post to just ban him, but I never felt any one was over the line enough.
yeah nothing says operating in good faith like i hate this guy and have wanted to ban him for a long time but couldn't find a reason, so i just did it anyway ¯\_(ツ😉_/¯ please clap
CN, I get the impression that you are really taking this mod position to heart, which is a good thing! I also get the impression that you are putting the success of this forum on your shoulders, as if it is your sole responsibility that this place works out. I think you will find that it is an impossible task to do on your own, and will only lead to aggravation. I think the other mods' attitudes of "say whatever you want about the modera
For me, it isn't that serious. I am just helping where I can and if it gets to be untenable then I'll respectfully bow out ♥
Edit- Also, they did sort of advise me to do just that, but I find it hard to not be talkative and overly sincere these days.
Why can't we all just make it nice together? It could be a fun little community.
I'm a mod now so I have to keep my zippy quips to myself. Just know its a zinger. ^
There are certain topics that are highly emotionally charged. I think these threads should be mostly left alone unless people are just over the top with violations. That being said, perhaps I don't fully understand the role of a moderator. Is there a liability component at work here? What is the reasoning for what I see as over moderation sometimes? I've never understood why two people having a heated argument is a bad thing. We are all adults. If someone calls me a name it doesn't bother me at all. If I see two posters going at it I find it fun to watch sometimes. If I don't like it I skip it. It's not fun to walk on eggshells in real life or in an anonymous forum. If you think someone is a jerk why can't you call them a jerk?
I'm just asking and trying to understand things. You guy's have your rules and I fully intend on abiding by them.
There are certain topics that are highly emotionally charged. I think these threads should be mostly left alone unless people are just over the top with violations. That being said, perhaps I don't fully understand the role of a moderator. Is there a liability component at work here? What is the reasoning for what I see as over moderation sometimes? I've never understood why two people having a heated argument is a bad thing. We are all ad
Bruh, I don't know what to say. I'm not even half way through Approaches to Discourse...
Nothing, which is why I LOLed. You nailed the interpreting-ganstaman's-post-in-the-worst-way-while-being-able-to-fall-back-on-dictionary-games thing perfectly. We all know, yourself included, that "looking for any excuse" is generally understood to imply something different than what ganstaman meant. I'd be surprised if Victor ever went one active week in this forum without posting something that a mod looking for "any" excuse to ban him, could have done so. So quite clearly he wasn't looking for any excuse, and your "Those aren't the sort of mods that you should be thankful for and deferring to." was just a silly cheap shot.
Luckbox is right and you guys are being obtuse
An excuse, any excuse, one more excuse, one excuse away
Nothing, which is why I LOLed. You nailed the interpreting-ganstaman's-post-in-the-worst-way-while-being-able-to-fall-back-on-dictionary-games thing perfectly. We all know, yourself included, that "looking for any excuse" is generally understood to imply something different than what ganstaman meant. I'd be surprised if Victor ever went one active week in this forum without posting something that a mod looking for "any" excuse to ban him,
He has never gone a day without deliberately breaking the rules, any of which should have been enough to ban him given his history. Why is there a need to wait for the single over the top post? IMO one 10/10 out of line post isn't nearly as bad as many 7/10 bad posts every single day.
Hard to be nice to people who advocate for genocide or talk enthusiastically about butchering thousands of dissidents. Come on.
I don't know what the dissident thing is in reference to, but your post right here is exactly the kind of thing that Victor was banned for. I have never seen another poster "advocate for genocide", and I'm 99% sure you haven't either. Some people here advocate practices that you (mistakenly, IMO) call genocide. This is exactly the same thing as stating that someone who supports the right to choose (abortion) advocates for murder.
The only reason for making a post like the one you just made is to be deliberately inflammatory. If you don't understand that and can't stop doing it, you should be banned as well.
Well it’s just a fact, I’m sorry, and you should read it as such instead of imagining incitement.
It’s not easy to be friendly with everyone who posts in that thread. Not saying we shouldn’t try, but it’s clearly very hard sometimes.
Well it’s just a fact, I’m sorry, and you should read it as such instead of imagining incitement.
It’s not easy to be friendly with everyone who posts in that thread. Not saying we shouldn’t try, but it’s clearly very hard sometimes.
So you think you're going to change the minds of someone who you believe supports genocide? Or somehow your posts here are going to save a life?
No, and no? Then you're just posting to try to provoke anger.
And I guess it's just a fact that you support people who actually do support genocide put, it clearly in writing, advocate for it at every chance, and have been attempting to do it for over 60 years. They finally get it turned back towards them, and you finally decide to cry about genocide.
Great job here, folks!!
You took out the quarterback!
The quarterback is gone!!
And that on demand of "David duke" lmao
I missed all the drama.
Were Lucium and Victor banned for any specific reason, or lifetime achievement awards? I admit I will miss Lucium. Some of his views were extreme, but I appreciate that he sees the big picture correctly: markets and liberalism are good, and central planning and illiberal govt is bad.
Are the respective bans temporary or permanent?
Banning Lucium and Victor was clearly the goal after the one sided and racist rules by the mods were put into place.
Great now the forum sucks, and will consist of proving people like chillrob wrong using basic quotes from the internet.
Joy
Chomsky said it best. You have the freedom to talk about whatever you want as long as it fits inside this box of acceptability.
Racist rules? That's funny, I didn't see race mentioned in any rules. What race are Luciom and Victor?
Racist rules? That's funny, I didn't see race mentioned in any rules. What race are Luciom and Victor?
Victor is being banned cause he is an outspoken supporter of the indigenous middle eastern people being genocided by fair skinned European Jews.
Imo of course. I see a different set of rules being applied to the pro indigenous side than to the pro colonizer side
It looks like Luciom's last post was in the global warming thread unless it was deleted.
Lmao you right wing snowflakes really got Victor banned because your fragile pathetic minds couldn't handle someone calling you out?
'Wahhh mom this guy is calling me mean words just because I said I love genocide, please ban him'
Never underestimate the sheer patheticness of right wingers. Anyway have fun with your little pro genocide eco chamber, just know that everyone else thinks you are losers in here. Bye.
