Israel/Palestine thread
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Discuss my fellow 2+2ers..
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No, I don't care to watch a video whose title is ridiculous.
Hamas has genocide in its charter, and they are supported by the vast majority of Gazans. If you seriously don't think most Gazans would support the genocide of Israelis, you're delusional. And it's a simple fact that Israel could kill every Gazan, quickly, if they wanted to.
Is your point that the people of Gaza should be grateful to Israel for not killing all of them?
I'm just trying to get the bottom of this Victor situation here...
ok man good talk
I wouldn't even disagree that hamas would prefer to kill every Israeli that they physically could - theve proven enough to the world that they are a laughable group of brainwashed degenerates.
But when they can't, it absolutely does matter the response you take when it involves the killing of folks around them in order to lower the threat level to oneself.
At a certain point, reducing a threat through the murdering of innocents puts you as one of the baddies, and we've already passed that point.
Where do I find the juiciest Israeli tiktoks? Is there some sort of master list?
Do you think the Palestinians are not attempting to commit genocide on Israelis? And likely every Jew? [...] These are the undeniable truths of the situation.
he said palestinians, not hamas
"undeniable truths" itt. good stuff
That's not a simple fact at all, it's a mantra that gets mindlessly repeated. As it is, Israel is losing support and allies from the West, we now have several nations recognizing Palestinian statehood (never thought I'd see that in my lifetime), and Biden threatening to hold back aid (also never thought I'd see that in my lifetime). You'd need a crystal ball to predict what would happen if Israel killed people at an accelerated rate, but if enough Americans get disgusted with the piles of dead Gazans the handouts stop and Israel disappears very quickly.
That's not a simple fact at all, it's a mantra that gets mindlessly repeated. As it is, Israel is losing support and allies from the West, we now have several nations recognizing Palestinian statehood (never thought I'd see that in my lifetime), and Biden threatening to hold back aid (also never thought I'd see that in my lifetime). You'd need a crystal ball to predict what would happen if Israel killed people at an accelerated rate, but if
They have nuclear weapons.
The rest of what you say is irrelevant, except to show that Israel isn't killing as many people as they could at least partially because of pressure from the US, when all the Hamas apologists in this thread claim that the US has done nothing to at least slow down the killing.
Is your point that the people of Gaza should be grateful to Israel for not killing all of them?
I'm just trying to get the bottom of this Victor situation here...
No, the point is that Gazans have supported attacking Israel for years, and have done so. And that it's silly to call what is happening there a genocide. Particularly when everyone knows that every Islamist state in the area would love to see a true genocide of Israel. Of course none of them seem to care much about the Palestinians either.
Do you not say that Israel or Israelis do bad things?
I don't see Likud in particular mentioned much in this thread.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and has super majority support of its people. I don't know figures for residents of the West Bank, but I would bet that the majority of them fully support Hamas and it's goals as well.
I wouldn't even disagree that hamas would prefer to kill every Israeli that they physically could - theve proven enough to the world that they are a laughable group of brainwashed degenerates.
But when they can't, it absolutely does matter the response you take when it involves the killing of folks around them in order to lower the threat level to oneself.
At a certain point, reducing a threat through the murdering of innocents puts you as on
I don't like it support the government of Israel. I have stated in this thread that they are the worst of America's current allies (AFAIK).
I don't like the idea of any country existing to serve a particular religion, and I wouldn't be sad to see any such country cease to exist.
But of course this also applies to every other country in the middle east, most of which have attacked Israel at some point, and have been shown to be much greater dangers to Americans than is Israel.
All those countries also have horrible standards of human rights even for their own citizens. Israel doesn't treat their women as property and mutilate their genitals. They don't execute people for not practicing their religion. They don't import people from other countries to basically live as slaves. They don't crash planes into buildings.
Every one of the Muslim countries in the area is far worse than Israel. It's so hypocritical for there to be so much criticism of Israel but not a peep about how truly horrifying Islamist states are. If Palestine ever governs itself, it will surely be at least as bad as all the others. That's why I don't support any assistance being given to the Palestinian people.
i've heard of it happening in some parts of the world (certain african countries? idk), i haven't heard of it happening in gaza
and that link has no mention of that being the case
i've heard of it happening in some parts of the world (certain african countries? idk), i haven't heard of it happening in gaza
I'm not sure if it happens there or not, but I certainly suspect it does, as it is known to be done in Egypt, its closest neighbor (of which Gaza really should still be a part).
Wikipedia specifically mentions Egypt at the beginning of the article. The Gazan people were part of Egypt relatively recently. I can't imagine a religiously based cultural practice dying in 40 years among people who have kept the same religion.
For the millionth time, Israel has not been fully dependent on American “goodwill” for decades. They could call the Chinese ambassador and trade American/Israeli military tech for basically infinite production tomorrow.
We will never let that happen.
For the millionth time, Israel has not been fully dependent on American “goodwill” for decades. They could call the Chinese ambassador and trade American/Israeli military tech for basically infinite production tomorrow.
Even after Israel starts lobbing nukes around? China is already is already hamstrung trying to keep North Korea from acting up, kinda doubt they're excited about babysitting another pariah nation that's even worse behaved.
It's not, you just didn't grasp a word of it. Israel drops a nuke on Gaza and it will be governed by the UN within a year. Again, it is utterly dependent on America's goodwill and even Americans have limits.
I dont think there is any scenario where the UN would agree to police Gaza. There are too many violent militant groups with their own agendas and the territory itself is too militarized (tunnels, bunkers, arms depots, booby traps). The casualty rate would simply be too high.
Most Palestinian supporters/apologists dont understand or acknowledge the bad decision making that happened in 1948. The decisions made in 1939 would really blow their mind. The British actually offered to severely limit European Jewish immigration and give the Arabs a pathway to their own state from the river to the sea, provided they could co-exist peacefully with the Jews already there.
The Arab response was an emphatic no, as they were determined to run the English and Jews completely out, and aligned themselves with Nazi Germany to make this a reality.
It really is wild how the Palestinian insistence on expelling all the Jews and creating a ethnostate has worked against them so poorly for so long, with no course correction.
Even after Israel starts lobbing nukes around? China is already is already hamstrung trying to keep North Korea from acting up, kinda doubt they're excited about babysitting another pariah nation that's even worse behaved.
lol no
N Korea does chinas bidding. They are like their illegal asset
If Israel started lobbing nukes, America would likely replenish the stockpile to even out their stacks.
Do you not say that Israel or Israelis do bad things?
I don't see Likud in particular mentioned much in this thread.
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and has super majority support of its people. I don't know figures for residents of the West Bank, but I would bet that the majority of them fully support Hamas and it's goals as well.
we discussed it weeks ago, Hamas support in the west bank is far higher than in Gaza. like in the 80s in the WB, 55-60% in Gaza.
presumably that's because gazeans had to deal with Hamas daily for almost 20 years and they are bad at administrating among other things, while the policy platform that includes the genocide of the Jews is broadly liked
It is still ethnic cleansing if you give people a week's notice to leave their homes before they get bombed. It's still ethnic cleansing if you pinky swear to let them return after you've finished bombing their city. It's still ethnic cleansing if you provide them with nice happy tent encampments to stay in while their homes are being destroyed. It's still ethnic cleansing if oTheR cOuNtRiEs Do iT tOoooo.
it is not ethnic cleansing if you have the means to ethnic cleanse and you don't.
in Rwanda they killed 700k-1m people in 4 months, mostly with low tech weaponry. That's ethnic cleansing.
Israel could have killed more than one million gazeans in a month if they actually wanted to do ethnic cleansing.
40k people of which 10-15k actual terrorists (and an unknown number of others among them, helpers of the terrorists )is a surgical operation to kill terrorists and their enablers with minimal collateral damage given the densely inhabited urban setting.
it's a miraculously low number that shows the almost unprecedented morality of Israel in conducting this war, like the world should learn from it
