Moderation Questions and General Chat Thread
The last iteration of the moderation discussion thread was a complete disaster. Numerous attempts to keep it on topic failed, and it became a general discussion thread with almost no moderation related posts at all. And those that were posted were so buried in non-mod posts that it became a huge time drain on the mods to sort through them. Then, when off topic posts were deleted posters complained about that.
This led to the closing of the mod discussion thread, replaced by the post report/pm approach. This has filtered out lots of noise, but has resulted at times in the General Discussion Thread turning into a quasi-mod thread. This is not desirable, but going back to the old mod thread is also not a workable option.
Therefore, I have created this new moderation thread, but with a different purpose and ground rules than previous mod threads. The purpose of this thread is to provide a place for posters to pose questions to the mods about how policies are applied; to bring to the mods attention posts they think are inappropriate and reach the level of requiring mod action; and for mods to communicate to posters things like changes or clarifications to policies, bannings, etc.
Now let me tell you what this thread is NOT a place for. It is not for nonmoderation related posts, even if the discussion originates from a comment in in a mod related post. It is not for posters to post their opinions about other posters or whether a poster should be banned. It is not to rehash past grievances about mod decisions from months or years ago. The focus of this thread will be recent posts that require action now. Or questions about current policies and enforcement.
So basically, this is a thread to ask mods questions. Which means, pretty much that only mods should be answering those questions. If a poster asks why a particular post was deleted or allowed, only a mod can answer that. Everyone else who wants to jump in with their opinion or their mod war story needs to stay out of it. It just increases the noise to signal ratio and does nothing to answer the question.
Everyone needs to understand that this thread has very different rules than the old mod thread and any other thread. Any non-moderation post will be deleted on sight. Not moved to the appropriate thread, just deleted. So don't waste your time crafting a masterpiece post about wars or transgender issues or the presidential election and then post it in this thread. It will be gone. Also, this isnt a thread for general commentary about our mods performance. Posting "browser sucks as a mod" or any such posts that don't actually ask about a policy or request a mod action will be deleted. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the moderation of this forum. But this thread isnt for complaining about mods. You are free to go to the ATF forum and make your concerns about modding in this forum there.
So with that intro, this thread is open for those who need to bring questions about mod policies or bring inappropriate posts to the mods attention. Again, it is NOT a thread for group discussions about other posters or for other posters to answer questions directed to mods.
We'll see how this goes. If you have what you feel is an open issue raised in the General Discussion Thread, please copy that post or otherwise reintroduce the issue here.
Thanks.
In the I/P thread, provided you were pro Palestinian, you could say "Pakistan is run by terrorists"
If someone is ok explaining the difference there, it'll keep me from blowing my face off in that thread.
If I said "Gaza is run by terrorists" I don't think I'd fair super well (probably be on timeout). But that's gotta be a little closer to the truth than Pakistan right about now.
Because it is a mainstream opinion that Pakistan was up until recently harboring the Taliban, as well as harbored Osama Bin Laden. This is not to even reference the military dictatorships that have marked Pakistan's short history as a country. Who qualifies as a "terrorist" is the same linguistic quagmire we find ourselves in with "genocide" and "apartheid". There are limits to what I can moderate as truth vs opinion. If there were racial qualifiers in the statement, that would also alter my opinion of the post, but there were none.
pretty sure nobody here would care if anyone said "pakistan is run by terrorists", and the mods here likely wouldn't try to parse it by that person's political beliefs if it happened. lolrafiki just trying to build a strawman so he can say that palestinians are all terrorists. good stuff
do the mods even read the threads here? because it seems like they check reported posts, and that's it
reactive modding instead of being proactive
Because it is a mainstream opinion that Pakistan was up until recently harboring the Taliban, as well as harbored Osama Bin Laden. This is not to even reference the military dictatorships that have marked Pakistan's short history as a country. Who qualifies as a "terrorist" is the same linguistic quagmire we find ourselves in with "genocide" and "apartheid". There are limits to what I can moderate as truth vs opinion. If there were racial q
But then we agree that if Hamas runs Gaza, and Hamas IS an internationally recognized terror group, that I can say "Gaza is run by terrorists".
That is in the clear, right? I'm not asking to be snarky. Legit ask on what I can say without a timeout. I want to avoid them where I can.
"how genocidal and racist can i be without getting banned??"
But then we agree that if Hamas runs Gaza, and Hamas IS an internationally recognized terror group, that I can say "Gaza is run by terrorists".
That is in the clear, right? I'm not asking to be snarky. Legit ask on what I can say without a timeout. I want to avoid them where I can.
I have not moderated allegations of terrorism that are not seated in racial bias, and will continue to allow that POV to be heard unless it crosses into bigoted territory. Mainstream opinions are tolerated, regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
Rafiki, I am aware this inquest is motivated by your recent timeout. If you want to talk about it, I am available via PM after 10PM Eastern Time. I have rehearsal now.
I gotta ask. Why was this allowed to go on for so long? These racist posts by these posters are not a new thing. Did the other mods not care or they weren’t aware? What has changed?
Management has known about the problem for ages, it's just A. they don't care and B. banning these guys and endlessly litigating and re-litigating bans eventually grinds down the mods until they quit.
Yall are nice and all but it was a racist thing for me to say
However it is socially acceptable to say that
pretty sure nobody here would care if anyone said "pakistan is run by terrorists", and the mods here likely wouldn't try to parse it by that person's political beliefs if it happened. lolrafiki just trying to build a strawman so he can say that palestinians are all terrorists. good stuff
do the mods even read the threads here? because it seems like they check reported posts, and that's it
reactive modding instead of being proactive
pw just said that Pakistan is run by terrorists in the IP thread and I didn't even bother reporting that absurd claim yes
Management has known about the problem for ages, it's just A. they don't care and B. banning these guys and endlessly litigating and re-litigating bans eventually grinds down the mods until they quit.
We should start issuing several bans a day until we get to the bottom of why nobody posts around here.
I never met anyone in my life who voted right, who didn't consider Marxism inherently evil. Some might have claimed that Marxism was dead already so it was better to focus on other stuff , but the condemnation of Marxism as the actual absolute evil was universal in all my contact with people voting right, in various countries.
Granted, I am talking mostly about Italy, Brazil and the USA. Maybe in (dunno) Sweden or Germany it's different.
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Again, I have never even heard of anyone else saying this.
I guarantee you that most people who support those causes have very little idea of what Marxism is, would not claim to support it, and certainly don't support bloody revolution of the proletariat.
yeah but you're allowed to be super racist toward muslims here. this forum and site fully supports that. many such cases
It's always been impossible to be racist against Muslims and it always will be impossible.
Unless you think you can be racist against catholics. And racist against episcopalians. And racist against Buddhists.
Not to mention racist against democrats, women, the elderly, the handicapped, etc etc. Yawn.
I have not moderated allegations of terrorism that are not seated in racial bias, and will continue to allow that POV to be heard unless it crosses into bigoted territory. Mainstream opinions are tolerated, regardless of whether I agree with them or not.
I absolutely guarantee that I have never posted any opinion that was seated in racial bias. If you had read much of my posting history you would know that the only bias I have is against those who choose to be religious.
It's always been impossible to be racist against Muslims and it always will be impossible.
Unless you think you can be racist against catholics. And racist against episcopalians. And racist against Buddhists.
Not to mention racist against democrats, women, the elderly, the handicapped, etc etc. Yawn.
I absolutely guarantee that I have never posted any opinion that was seated in racial bias. If you had read much of my posting history you would know that the only bias I have is against those who choose to be religious.
(c) Racist posts and other bigoted statements that target a particular group or individuals of such groups (such as members of the LGBTQ community or African Americans) with derogatory comments are not allowed.
i assume that religious bigotry is also not ok, but i could be wrong
I gotta ask. Why was this allowed to go on for so long? These racist posts by these posters are not a new thing. Did the other mods not care or they weren’t aware? What has changed?
There is 2 things going on.
1. Crossnerd is comfortable making subjective judgements, whereas this makes most mods uncomfortable; so they try to be objective, which invariably means allowing more borderline behavior.
2. You guys are (so far) responding better, mainly for evolutionary psychology reasons. Males (especially domesticated ones, like most of us) are less confrontational with females than other males.
--On a related note, this general behavior actually reinforces the reality that many/most trans females do in fact view themselves as females (and aren't bad faith actors), as they generally tend to be more aggressive, including physical violence, with cis-females than cis-males would be.
Evolutionary psych ban
There is 2 things going on.
1. Crossnerd is comfortable making subjective judgements, whereas this makes most mods uncomfortable; so they try to be objective, which invariably means allowing more borderline behavior.
2. You guys are (so far) responding better, mainly for evolutionary psychology reasons. Males (especially domesticated ones, like most of us) are less confrontational with females than other males.
--On a related note, this g
If you can cite this in the next ten minutes I won't ban for you for transphobic rhetoric. The clock starts now.
Yep. I just sat down for dinner and looks like I have about 1 minute left, and I dont even know exactly what your expectations are for a cite. Just go ahead and ban me and get it over with.
I thought you confined your modding to the I/P thread, but this was probably inevitable anyways once you became green, so might as well get it over with.
Transphobic bigotry isn't allowed in any of the threads in P&S and if I see it, I will moderate it. See you in 24 hours.
Again, I have never even heard of anyone else saying this.
I guarantee you that most people who support those causes have very little idea of what Marxism is, would not claim to support it, and certainly don't support bloody revolution of the proletariat.
Again what i am saying is what De Santis team has been saying and a lot of people on the right in the USA and lately in europe as well say.
Transphobic bigotry isn't allowed in any of the threads in P&S and if I see it, I will moderate it. See you in 24 hours.
is this transphobic data? from the UK
